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this whole radiates for the Mastiff as

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my anniversary of your life is 1947 the

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Army Air Force was announced that

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applying to has been found and is now in

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the possession of the army the game is

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rigged change begins change I

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occasionally think how quickly our

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differences worldwide would vanish if we

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were facing an alien threat from outside

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this is saved in black with your host

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Jimmy Church on the game changer radio

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we need your help into the year 1985

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you're missing - thank you drag with

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masses he ya Monday

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great to be back in the chair

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today is July 24th 204 days into the new

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year just 161 days left we are live from

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a bunker somewhere in downtown Burbank

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California and I would like to welcome

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everybody listening all around the world

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all across the United States either

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until there to and fro back and forth up

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and down east and west north and south

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far and near

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this is fade to black for KJ CR the game

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changer Network in kg ra the planet I'm

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here simi Church what is cracking

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everybody had a great weekend

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and it's Monday so I'm back in the chair

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we didn't stop all weekend long we just

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Friday night over a coast-to-coast

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Saturday the den of Lord jaws marathon

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Sunday get together with the family that

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because our nephew and and his wife

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announces they're having a baby so we

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you know that was supposed to be just a

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nice simple you know cookout with the

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family 1-1 Full Tilt boogie yesterday

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and and then a Saturday went out to

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wife Pat and that was great so we just

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had a you know just just did it up did

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it proper and had a great weekend and I

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would like to welcome everybody tonight

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because we're going to continue our

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first time guests weeks this is the

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second week and tonight Martin gray is

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here we're going to talk about his life

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journey an incredible life that he has

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had and his journey to sacred sites

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around the world he is amongst other

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things he's a an amazing photographer he

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shoots for National Geographic and we're

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going to share some of his images

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tonight and you can do that over in

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Twitter just follow us on Twitter I had

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a church radio hashtag f2b and we're

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going to get those up there but it is

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why he is going to all of the sacred

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think there's a country that he hasn't

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been to and I'm going to find that out

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tonight too as well because it it's

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extraordinary what he does and how he

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does it and why he does it

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Martin gray is our guest tonight and

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then tomorrow night and Wednesday we're

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unity ken will be with us tomorrow and

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on Wednesday night Peter is going to be

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here these guys are true game changers

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okay so do not miss this is it's just

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going to be an extraordinary week so do

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not miss those shows there

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at 2 meter radio calm and let me get to

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room or micro markets and they said that

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over 50 employees there plan on having

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the chips implanted that's right RFID

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chips and that is that technology that

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they are going to use employees will be

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chipped on August 1st the reaction on

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Carter today is 66 and our dead guys

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birthday today is Amelia Earhart 1897 to

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got taken on that sir Amelia Earhart AP

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that is a matter of fact tonight very

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special guest Martin gray is here we're

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going to talk about his life journey and

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what he does visiting sacred sites

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for himself for his site sacred sites

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absolutely incredible and of course Nat

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listening to Jimmy George radio calm

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what's up whatever that I imagine we're

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listening the same research radio

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welcome back fade to black

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every host Timmy church tonight Martin

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gray is with us you can follow me on

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twitter @ JT radio simple enough hashtag

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F 2 B is the sandbox we're going to be

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posting some of Martin's photography

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there and you can check it out in real

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time he is a photographer of sacred

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architecture art and pilgrimage sites

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around the world his father was in the

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United States diplomatic service and

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Martyn traveled widely around the world

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archaeology photography classical music

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and art were always around the house so

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he was immersed in the arts and

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antiquities of foreign cultures when he

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was 12 years old the family moved to

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India for four years during this period

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Martin went on frequent journeys both

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alone and in the company of wandering

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holy men to the temples mosque in sacred

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caves of India and Nepal and Kashmir

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after his family's return to the United

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States

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Martin entered the University of Arizona

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but soon left back to India by the call

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of the spiritual quest and the desire to

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become a mountain hermit in the

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tradition of the Tara Veda Buddhism now

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while living in northern India he became

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a member of a monastic order and for the

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next ten years both in India and the

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West he cultivated a deep practice of

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meditation at the age of 28 gray left

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the life behind returned to the United

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States and started two successful travel

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companies which he ended up selling and

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he began a 35-year period of traveling

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as a wandering pilgrim to many hundreds

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of sacred sites in more than 150

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countries tonight we'll discuss the

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mythology the archaeology in the history

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of sacred sites and the miraculous

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phenomena that occur in them his web

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site is sacred sites calm you can check

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it out over a to maturity oak on the

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links are right there

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and I would like to welcome for the

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first time Martin gray Martin good

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evening thank you thank you good evening

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to you and everybody that's listening

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hello yeah man it's great I'm glad that

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we had

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the technology to chase you down and

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this is going to be a great conversation

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tonight and welcome to the program and

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and this is what we do every first-time

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guest Martin they get the first-time

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guests disclaimer now when we get you

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back on the show you don't get the

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disclaimer but tonight what is this

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disclaimer the disclaimer is just you

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and I sitting on my couch having a

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conversation as friends without

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sensation starts it starts where it ends

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it ends and we're going to end his

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friends there you go that's see that's

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not too bad of a disclaimer right no

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that's very good thank you now

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diplomatic services I'm an army brat so

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I got to travel the world too as well

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you probably wouldn't change anything

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would you it's just an absolutely

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amazing thing to go through as a kid

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yeah I was lucky to live in India from

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12 to 16 my dad was a military attache

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there and he didn't have the time to

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travel and my mother loved to travel so

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she started taking me with her around

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India so I kind of got trained to travel

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starting when I was 12 years old and I

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went on a few journeys with her and then

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they saw that I was getting more skilled

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at doing it and they let me go off on my

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own and I traveled a good bit of

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northern India Nepal on my own during

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those four years that I was in India and

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and what you know the obvious question

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is what did you learn at that point

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because you were drawn back what

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happened well my father's hobbies and he

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hadn't he wasn't schooled in either of

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these but his hobbies were photography

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and archaeology and so I was exposed to

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both of those actually quite a bit

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before I went to India and then when I

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got to India he gave me a German camera

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called a Rolly cord and I just started

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taking pictures and in India it's boy

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it's such a culturally rich place and

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it's so beautiful

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and I spent a lot of time just during

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the the days when I was going to school

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in Delhi and during those weeks I travel

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around Delhi and I had a bicycle or I'd

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used these little things called scooter

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cabs and I'd move around Delhi and just

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fell in love with photography and then

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my mother was taking me to some places

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went to Banaras at one time he went to

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cop madhu in nepal and went into these

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temples and the temples they had such an

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amazing feeling at them and there's so

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many people that come to pilgrimage

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sites they're the most visited places in

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the world and when you go to these

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temples and there'll be thousands and

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thousands of people coming through them

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and I didn't really understood what that

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meant at that point being 12 13 14 but I

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was really enamored or enchanted with

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this collection of people who would come

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to the site and I really enjoyed taking

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pictures of the places and so that's

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kind of how it began for me now there is

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something okay I think there's two or

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three things going on at the same time

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and we're going to visit all of these

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tonight but I think that there are when

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we talk about ley lines I think that's

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maybe too loose of a term and it's

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become you know a pop culture way of of

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talking about things but there there are

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sites around the world that have an

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energy or power and these sites were

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built there because of this I don't

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think there's any question of that but

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then there's the the other part that I

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think is equally as important where the

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ancients knew something they they knew

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something and they were ahead of the

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curve we've lost sight of it today and

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we don't understand what they knew and

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they it's such a it's such a trippy

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concept for us today because of

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Technology and jobs and and life and

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cars and family and and mortgages right

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where we don't get the the concept of

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the power of some of these sacred things

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and the power of the mind and conscious

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consciousness that the ancients had it

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are we ever going to get it back and how

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did we lose it well I think a really

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important thing to say first of all is

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you use the word the ancients knew

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something and I feel first of all they

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felt something right they felt something

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and out of that feeling came an

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understanding and then we could say they

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began to know something right and

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there's a lot of people nowadays that

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are

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feeling something and so there knowing

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that also and are we going to regain

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that I think there's a whole lot of

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people already understand this and it's

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it's it's proliferating around human

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culture that more and more people are

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understanding the power of these power

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places and what it means do you think

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you could take I think I could but do

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you think you could take the most gender

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of Piper Smith you know right that has

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absolutely the closest of the closed

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minds right okay and take them to one of

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these sacred sites and open them up is

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you know what I mean that there is

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something else going on out there do you

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think that is possible yes well I guess

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I'd answer that in a few different ways

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I first of all say that there's a

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consciousness inside of people and even

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if they're not aware of that

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consciousness the consciousness has the

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capacity to feel so even if you took one

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of these people to these places one of

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these gentrified unaware people

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unawakened people some part of them

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they're deeper consciousness is going to

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feel this and it's going to be recorded

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in them maybe they will awaken maybe

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they will have an understanding then and

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it might be that it's going to pop into

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their awareness weeks or months or years

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later but some part of them for example

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if someone doesn't understand about the

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thermal dynamics and it's really hot

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outside and you take them into an

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air-conditioned room even though they

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can't intellectually explain it they're

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still going to feel the coolness and in

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the same way even though someone can't

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explain why there's a power to place

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when they go into one of these places

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some part of them will feel that well

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tell me about the first time privately

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I'll tell you about mine okay but you're

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the guest on the show so tell me about

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that first time where the front part of

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your brain just went and you saw colors

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and you went there and you realized at

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that point that there is something else

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about this planet well I guess in one

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since I'd say that what my dad was they

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one of the squadron commanders of the

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place called Holloman Air Force Base in

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Alamogordo New Mexico and Holloman Air

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Force Base is in control of most of this

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place called White Sands right in white

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sands you know they set off an atom bomb

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there the first atom bomb at Trinity

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sites but long before they did that this

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was a Vision Quest site for a large area

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of the what we now call the southwestern

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the United States and because of my dad

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capacity in the Air Force I was able to

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go to certain parts of this that you

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can't even go to now though it's a

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national park and I went there and I

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felt something but I didn't know what I

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felt I didn't know how to put it into

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words I felt a it's lovely but I felt

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something beyond loveliness but I didn't

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know how to really say what it was but I

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was enamored with the place I think the

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first place that it became really

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conscious to me as I was in Katmandu

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Nepal with my mother and we'd gone to

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this place called Swayambhunath stupa

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was originally a Hindu temple taken over

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by the Buddhists and there's this big

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beautiful stupa on the top of this hill

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and I'd gone there with my mother during

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the day and then my mother went to sleep

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at night in this hotel and I went back

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there in the middle of the night and

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climbed up to the top of this hill

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there's 365 stairs and I went up on the

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top of this stupa and I had this really

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extraordinary experience while I was up

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there and at that point I felt this this

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notion came to my into my mind and now I

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understand it's something different than

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just my own notion but this notion came

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into my mind that I'd like to one day

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make a photographic atlas of sacred

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sites in India Nepal and that was the

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first time I really became cognizant of

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something going in and on inside of me

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where I felt a resonance with these

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places and felt to do something with

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them and do something for them so I was

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I think I was 12 years old in eight

542
00:25:29,470 --> 00:25:24,470
months at that point now and the whole

543
00:25:32,180 --> 00:25:29,480
gentrified unawakened person you almost

544
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:32,190
became that in a way you know coming

545
00:25:38,180 --> 00:25:35,690
back and going to college and in the

546
00:25:40,519 --> 00:25:38,190
life is now in front of you at that age

547
00:25:43,790 --> 00:25:40,529
we've all gone through it and I totally

548
00:25:47,060 --> 00:25:43,800
get that and you could have gone

549
00:25:50,210 --> 00:25:47,070
one direction you went back how strong

550
00:25:51,650 --> 00:25:50,220
was that calling well when I came you

551
00:25:55,100 --> 00:25:51,660
know we lived in India for four years

552
00:25:56,570 --> 00:25:55,110
and then I came back and I had some when

553
00:25:58,190 --> 00:25:56,580
I was in India I got in some trouble

554
00:26:00,170 --> 00:25:58,200
with first some things and so I was

555
00:26:01,430 --> 00:26:00,180
actually sent to a reform school back in

556
00:26:02,870 --> 00:26:01,440
the United States and I went to a

557
00:26:08,930 --> 00:26:02,880
military school at Roswell New Mexico

558
00:26:10,850 --> 00:26:08,940
and while I was there I felt this this

559
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:10,860
yearning to go back to India but it was

560
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:12,570
immature I didn't really know what was

561
00:26:16,580 --> 00:26:14,850
going on for me but then I started the

562
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:16,590
University of Arizona to study

563
00:26:21,770 --> 00:26:19,050
Mesoamerican archaeology in about five

564
00:26:23,630 --> 00:26:21,780
weeks into that I became affiliated with

565
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:23,640
this one Indian guru and so I went back

566
00:26:28,100 --> 00:26:26,250
to India and some in India some in the

567
00:26:30,500 --> 00:26:28,110
United States and some in Europe I was

568
00:26:32,660 --> 00:26:30,510
for ten years in this ashram in that

569
00:26:34,490 --> 00:26:32,670
whole time there was this in me this

570
00:26:37,580 --> 00:26:34,500
development of what is called bhakti or

571
00:26:40,460 --> 00:26:37,590
bhakti yoga which is the the yoga of

572
00:26:43,460 --> 00:26:40,470
devotion and I was really strongly

573
00:26:45,770 --> 00:26:43,470
touched by that to such a degree that in

574
00:26:47,570 --> 00:26:45,780
a certain sense my life could go in no

575
00:26:51,410 --> 00:26:47,580
other direction besides what I've done

576
00:26:53,810 --> 00:26:51,420
because I yearned for some way to say

577
00:26:56,180 --> 00:26:53,820
thank you to life to say thank you to

578
00:26:59,060 --> 00:26:56,190
God to say thank you to spirit I yearned

579
00:27:00,740 --> 00:26:59,070
in some way to make my my life as I used

580
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:00,750
to say a paintbrush in the hands of God

581
00:27:05,030 --> 00:27:02,850
a be a Playtex living glove on the hand

582
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:05,040
of God I wanted to do something because

583
00:27:08,540 --> 00:27:06,810
I recognized even though it was sort of

584
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:08,550
immature at this point but I recognized

585
00:27:12,290 --> 00:27:10,290
think weren't going so well on this

586
00:27:15,350 --> 00:27:12,300
planet and I wanted to do something in

587
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:15,360
my own way that could assist in both the

588
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:17,850
evolution of consciousness consciousness

589
00:27:21,530 --> 00:27:19,770
and the rectification of the problems on

590
00:27:23,420 --> 00:27:21,540
the earth so in a certain sense I

591
00:27:25,910 --> 00:27:23,430
couldn't have become gentrified I was so

592
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:25,920
strongly drawn by this thing actually

593
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:28,650
before I ever went to India I felt this

594
00:27:31,730 --> 00:27:30,090
yearning but it was immature and I

595
00:27:33,380 --> 00:27:31,740
didn't know how to put words on it but

596
00:27:35,630 --> 00:27:33,390
there was some part of me that wanted to

597
00:27:38,420 --> 00:27:35,640
do something different that wanted to do

598
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:38,430
something magnificent and amazing and so

599
00:27:44,030 --> 00:27:40,890
this particular path was opened up to me

600
00:27:47,210 --> 00:27:44,040
now you just mentioned the military

601
00:27:48,620 --> 00:27:47,220
school in Roswell that's the big Academy

602
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:48,630
that's right in the middle of town that

603
00:27:53,510 --> 00:27:50,970
takes up all that acreage yeah New

604
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:53,520
Mexico military and six - yeah I drove

605
00:27:56,570 --> 00:27:56,250
by it every day and I just looked at how

606
00:27:59,750 --> 00:27:56,580
many

607
00:28:01,340 --> 00:27:59,760
students at place is huge well at that

608
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:01,350
when I was there there were a couple of

609
00:28:04,460 --> 00:28:02,970
thousand because it was three years in

610
00:28:06,500 --> 00:28:04,470
high school and two years in junior

611
00:28:08,330 --> 00:28:06,510
college now there's I think even more

612
00:28:11,120 --> 00:28:08,340
and they've opened it up to women at

613
00:28:12,950 --> 00:28:11,130
this point it's it's an ROTC school yeah

614
00:28:15,649 --> 00:28:12,960
when you drive by it if you're not

615
00:28:19,310 --> 00:28:15,659
expecting it like I wasn't I was like

616
00:28:22,580 --> 00:28:19,320
what is that because it is a huge

617
00:28:24,830 --> 00:28:22,590
Academy no doubt that that's incredible

618
00:28:26,779 --> 00:28:24,840
that's where you went because we were

619
00:28:29,210 --> 00:28:26,789
just there last year we had tons of

620
00:28:30,350 --> 00:28:29,220
questions about it and at that time you

621
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:30,360
know now a lot of people talked about

622
00:28:34,430 --> 00:28:32,730
because the UFO sightings in Roswell but

623
00:28:36,259 --> 00:28:34,440
when I was going there I knew nothing

624
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:36,269
about that I was just there to go to the

625
00:28:40,070 --> 00:28:38,250
school hey you know why let me ask you

626
00:28:44,620 --> 00:28:40,080
about that what year were you attending

627
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:44,630
there I think that was seized 69 to 72

628
00:28:50,029 --> 00:28:47,970
bingo and and Roswell wasn't exposed

629
00:28:53,450 --> 00:28:50,039
until 1980 so what you're suggesting

630
00:28:55,460 --> 00:28:53,460
here when you were in Roswell and you

631
00:28:59,629 --> 00:28:55,470
were there for a length of time no

632
00:29:02,389 --> 00:28:59,639
mention of UFOs no mention of UFOs in

633
00:29:05,509 --> 00:29:02,399
relationship to Roswell right I was

634
00:29:07,730 --> 00:29:05,519
certainly I heard about UFOs right not

635
00:29:09,919 --> 00:29:07,740
not in relationship to Roswell itself

636
00:29:12,830 --> 00:29:09,929
yeah because now when you go to Roswell

637
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:12,840
every Burger King McDonald's hotel and

638
00:29:17,269 --> 00:29:14,970
car dealership has got an alien statue

639
00:29:19,610 --> 00:29:17,279
in front and there's actually even some

640
00:29:21,769 --> 00:29:19,620
sort of Museum there about ever now yeah

641
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:21,779
we're spoke there last year absolutely

642
00:29:25,850 --> 00:29:23,010
absolutely

643
00:29:28,519 --> 00:29:25,860
that is very very interest we'll talk

644
00:29:31,909 --> 00:29:28,529
about that maybe off air that's a very

645
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:31,919
interesting take on things considering

646
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:33,570
what what has happened to Roswell sense

647
00:29:38,090 --> 00:29:36,330
and what also and it's something we can

648
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:38,100
talk about here or we can talk about it

649
00:29:43,870 --> 00:29:40,610
at a different time but there is a

650
00:29:47,029 --> 00:29:43,880
significant amount of contact in

651
00:29:49,580 --> 00:29:47,039
communication in my life with et

652
00:29:51,919 --> 00:29:49,590
presence that had a significant

653
00:29:54,289 --> 00:29:51,929
influence on my starting on these

654
00:29:58,220 --> 00:29:54,299
journeys to these sacred sites how so

655
00:30:00,080 --> 00:29:58,230
oh boy that that I have to get into the

656
00:30:01,789 --> 00:30:00,090
story but when I was six years old I

657
00:30:04,190 --> 00:30:01,799
began having my first visionary

658
00:30:05,899 --> 00:30:04,200
experiences which I came to understand

659
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:05,909
was information was telepathically

660
00:30:10,430 --> 00:30:09,210
placed into my mind and I saw these

661
00:30:12,169 --> 00:30:10,440
pictures of something

662
00:30:14,810 --> 00:30:12,179
and that I would be doing when I was an

663
00:30:17,210 --> 00:30:14,820
older man right and then I had a series

664
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:17,220
of these sort of visitations or

665
00:30:23,419 --> 00:30:20,370
visionary visions over many many years

666
00:30:24,889 --> 00:30:23,429
of my life and then when I was I'd moved

667
00:30:27,529 --> 00:30:24,899
out of the ashram and I started these

668
00:30:30,259 --> 00:30:27,539
travel companies and I was in living in

669
00:30:31,759 --> 00:30:30,269
Coconut Grove Florida and I was making a

670
00:30:33,649 --> 00:30:31,769
lot of money and I had a beautiful

671
00:30:35,029 --> 00:30:33,659
girlfriend and everything was fine but

672
00:30:36,470 --> 00:30:35,039
there was sort of an emptiness in my

673
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:36,480
heart because I wasn't doing what I

674
00:30:41,149 --> 00:30:38,850
wanted to do but I didn't actually know

675
00:30:42,710 --> 00:30:41,159
what I wanted to do I just knew it

676
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:42,720
wasn't running a bunch of travel

677
00:30:49,100 --> 00:30:45,570
companies and one evening I had this

678
00:30:50,629 --> 00:30:49,110
vision I've been in my apartment I just

679
00:30:52,190 --> 00:30:50,639
had this meeting with my business

680
00:30:54,590 --> 00:30:52,200
partner had gone quite late I'd gone

681
00:30:56,450 --> 00:30:54,600
back to my apartment and I was standing

682
00:30:58,159 --> 00:30:56,460
on the porch in my apartment and it was

683
00:30:59,629 --> 00:30:58,169
this prayer in my heart that I wanted to

684
00:31:01,490 --> 00:30:59,639
do something with service but again I

685
00:31:03,470 --> 00:31:01,500
didn't know what it was and I shut my

686
00:31:05,419 --> 00:31:03,480
eyes and I began to see this picture in

687
00:31:07,460 --> 00:31:05,429
my head I was rather astonished by this

688
00:31:09,289 --> 00:31:07,470
and I opened my eyes and then I could

689
00:31:10,430 --> 00:31:09,299
see the the Coconut Grove where I lived

690
00:31:12,259 --> 00:31:10,440
it was dark and I could see other

691
00:31:14,869 --> 00:31:12,269
apartment buildings and I shut my eyes

692
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:14,879
again and I saw this picture of Easter

693
00:31:19,519 --> 00:31:17,250
Island and I heard this this voice and

694
00:31:22,190 --> 00:31:19,529
it said go here and you will begin to

695
00:31:24,529 --> 00:31:22,200
find the answers to your prayers I was

696
00:31:27,919 --> 00:31:24,539
astonished with this farm next morning I

697
00:31:29,779 --> 00:31:27,929
went into my office and to make a long

698
00:31:31,430 --> 00:31:29,789
story short there was a travel brochure

699
00:31:34,340 --> 00:31:31,440
that we'd been sent that morning and had

700
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:34,350
that exact same photograph on the front

701
00:31:37,730 --> 00:31:35,970
of this brochure so I went up to my own

702
00:31:39,799 --> 00:31:37,740
office and I called the manager of

703
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:39,809
launch Chile Airlines and I couldn't

704
00:31:44,299 --> 00:31:41,850
tell him that I'd seen a vision for an

705
00:31:46,009 --> 00:31:44,309
Easter Island throw he there'd been an

706
00:31:48,019 --> 00:31:46,019
interview of my business partner and I

707
00:31:49,519 --> 00:31:48,029
had several weeks before that because we

708
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:49,529
are considered to be these travel

709
00:31:53,299 --> 00:31:51,570
entrepreneurs and so he'd heard of me

710
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:53,309
and I he said what can I do to help you

711
00:31:56,450 --> 00:31:54,690
and I said well you know our company we

712
00:31:58,460 --> 00:31:56,460
send people down to the Caribbean in

713
00:32:00,680 --> 00:31:58,470
Mexico and we're thinking of opening up

714
00:32:02,389 --> 00:32:00,690
our sort of business to other places in

715
00:32:04,070 --> 00:32:02,399
South America he said where would you

716
00:32:07,009 --> 00:32:04,080
like to go I said Easter Island and

717
00:32:09,259 --> 00:32:07,019
Machu Picchu he gave me a free ticket so

718
00:32:10,970 --> 00:32:09,269
I went to several weeks later to both

719
00:32:13,190 --> 00:32:10,980
Easter Island and Machu Picchu and in

720
00:32:15,350 --> 00:32:13,200
both of those places I had more

721
00:32:18,649 --> 00:32:15,360
visionary experiences and in both times

722
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:18,659
they showed me a picture of a five-story

723
00:32:21,889 --> 00:32:20,730
wooden pagoda in a place I didn't know

724
00:32:24,409 --> 00:32:21,899
it at that point at a place called

725
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:24,419
Helios on in Japan it

726
00:32:29,989 --> 00:32:27,210
even say where it was but I sensed this

727
00:32:32,029 --> 00:32:29,999
is Japanese temple architecture and I

728
00:32:34,729 --> 00:32:32,039
heard this these words and it said

729
00:32:38,169 --> 00:32:34,739
follow the pilgrimage routes of the

730
00:32:41,149 --> 00:32:38,179
ancient religions now I had not thought

731
00:32:43,190 --> 00:32:41,159
either of those visions up I had not

732
00:32:44,749 --> 00:32:43,200
thought those words I was just and I was

733
00:32:47,509 --> 00:32:44,759
at this point an extremely skilled

734
00:32:49,639 --> 00:32:47,519
meditator at doing doing meditation for

735
00:32:51,799 --> 00:32:49,649
several hours a day for 15 years at this

736
00:32:53,539 --> 00:32:51,809
point and I was very cognizant of what

737
00:32:54,830 --> 00:32:53,549
is my own mental thought process and

738
00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:54,840
what is something is being

739
00:32:58,879 --> 00:32:57,210
telepathically seeded into me right so

740
00:33:01,279 --> 00:32:58,889
it became very clear that something was

741
00:33:03,409 --> 00:33:01,289
being shown to me and I wasn't told I

742
00:33:05,629 --> 00:33:03,419
had to do this was a suggestion that was

743
00:33:08,029 --> 00:33:05,639
offered to me of you could go do this

744
00:33:10,940 --> 00:33:08,039
and then that in a sense that really

745
00:33:14,599 --> 00:33:10,950
began the long pilgrimage you know today

746
00:33:18,229 --> 00:33:14,609
is the anniversary of Machu Picchu being

747
00:33:21,590 --> 00:33:18,239
with higher higher billion yeah yeah I'm

748
00:33:24,940 --> 00:33:21,600
now so I'm rediscovering it yeah I saw

749
00:33:27,710 --> 00:33:24,950
that article National Geographic and

750
00:33:29,690 --> 00:33:27,720
tell me well I don't know if I want to

751
00:33:31,669 --> 00:33:29,700
go to Machu Picchu first or Easter

752
00:33:36,159 --> 00:33:31,679
Island which one did you visit first

753
00:33:38,450 --> 00:33:36,169
Easter Island okay a game-changer oh

754
00:33:40,039 --> 00:33:38,460
yeah a tremendous game-changer and

755
00:33:42,229 --> 00:33:40,049
there's a lot of mysteries about Easter

756
00:33:44,379 --> 00:33:42,239
Island that cannot be explained by

757
00:33:46,879 --> 00:33:44,389
contemporary archaeological paradigms

758
00:33:50,060 --> 00:33:46,889
you know one of the most important ones

759
00:33:52,039 --> 00:33:50,070
is this matter of grids now there's a

760
00:33:53,119 --> 00:33:52,049
lot of people I hear talking about grids

761
00:33:55,639 --> 00:33:53,129
and they don't know what they're talking

762
00:33:57,680 --> 00:33:55,649
about I think I probably know as much

763
00:33:59,180 --> 00:33:57,690
about grids as anybody on the planet and

764
00:34:02,830 --> 00:33:59,190
I don't even understand the whole thing

765
00:34:05,989 --> 00:34:02,840
right but Machu Picchu astir Island

766
00:34:08,690 --> 00:34:05,999
according to one set of grid theories it

767
00:34:11,180 --> 00:34:08,700
is it the island is that one of these

768
00:34:15,740 --> 00:34:11,190
let's say power points grid power point

769
00:34:17,869 --> 00:34:15,750
and so when I was there I it's it's

770
00:34:19,339 --> 00:34:17,879
these some of these power places I can

771
00:34:20,930 --> 00:34:19,349
get into this more later but some of

772
00:34:24,289 --> 00:34:20,940
these power places there's sort of

773
00:34:27,530 --> 00:34:24,299
transducer places they they're portals

774
00:34:30,260 --> 00:34:27,540
they're there the veil between realms is

775
00:34:32,569 --> 00:34:30,270
very very thin there and so one can

776
00:34:34,099 --> 00:34:32,579
experiencing experience some there

777
00:34:36,349 --> 00:34:34,109
something there especially if one is

778
00:34:38,250 --> 00:34:36,359
open to it something one can experience

779
00:34:40,350 --> 00:34:38,260
in something there that one wouldn't

780
00:34:43,260 --> 00:34:40,360
parents even a mile away or 10 miles

781
00:34:45,899 --> 00:34:43,270
away and so when I was at Easter Island

782
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:45,909
again on very immature very new to this

783
00:34:51,270 --> 00:34:49,210
whole study that I'm now into I

784
00:34:52,980 --> 00:34:51,280
experienced something and I think some

785
00:34:55,169 --> 00:34:52,990
of it has to do with the fact that it

786
00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:55,179
was at that particular location the

787
00:34:58,830 --> 00:34:57,490
people that came there lately and

788
00:35:01,260 --> 00:34:58,840
there's a number of different theories

789
00:35:03,690 --> 00:35:01,270
about how people got there late later

790
00:35:06,990 --> 00:35:03,700
but I think the place had a enormous

791
00:35:09,060 --> 00:35:07,000
significance long before the Polynesians

792
00:35:11,460 --> 00:35:09,070
however they discovered it got there

793
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:11,470
right right and what's really bizarre

794
00:35:18,570 --> 00:35:15,010
and I've done this you can draw a line

795
00:35:22,070 --> 00:35:18,580
from Easter Island to gobekli tepe and

796
00:35:27,090 --> 00:35:22,080
then look at what falls on that line

797
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:27,100
Machu Picchu the Giza Plateau it you

798
00:35:32,250 --> 00:35:29,650
know any that line is full of sacred

799
00:35:35,670 --> 00:35:32,260
sites all the way across and that is way

800
00:35:37,590 --> 00:35:35,680
beyond coincidence yes and spans

801
00:35:40,350 --> 00:35:37,600
cultures too that's the other thing it's

802
00:35:44,550 --> 00:35:40,360
not one culture it's a variety and and

803
00:35:46,740 --> 00:35:44,560
and spans time too as well so the way I

804
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:46,750
kind of explained that now and I had a

805
00:35:51,540 --> 00:35:49,450
visionary experience at a monastery

806
00:35:56,070 --> 00:35:51,550
called heal and Adi and Mount Athos

807
00:35:57,660 --> 00:35:56,080
maybe in 1986 and I've been inside of

808
00:36:00,030 --> 00:35:57,670
this church with all these Greek

809
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:00,040
Orthodox monks chanting and then I was a

810
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:01,570
little tired of that my knees were

811
00:36:04,830 --> 00:36:03,370
hurting from standing up for hours and

812
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:04,840
so I went out under the courtyard of

813
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:06,970
this 10th century monastery and I was

814
00:36:09,870 --> 00:36:08,650
just meditating and I began to have

815
00:36:11,820 --> 00:36:09,880
another one of these visionary

816
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:11,830
experiences and you've certainly heard

817
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:14,410
it dodecahedron and icosahedron and

818
00:36:18,630 --> 00:36:16,570
tetrahedrons for these platonic solids

819
00:36:21,180 --> 00:36:18,640
well I began to see all of these

820
00:36:23,550 --> 00:36:21,190
platonic solids together comprising one

821
00:36:25,710 --> 00:36:23,560
great crystalline structure and that

822
00:36:27,030 --> 00:36:25,720
crystalline structure was inside of the

823
00:36:30,590 --> 00:36:27,040
sphere of the earth in where their

824
00:36:33,570 --> 00:36:30,600
vertex points of each one of those

825
00:36:35,310 --> 00:36:33,580
platonic solids hit the interior sphere

826
00:36:37,650 --> 00:36:35,320
of the earth determined where there was

827
00:36:39,150 --> 00:36:37,660
a power place on the earth and then on

828
00:36:40,980 --> 00:36:39,160
the power on the surface of the earth

829
00:36:43,260 --> 00:36:40,990
there were straight lines going between

830
00:36:45,450 --> 00:36:43,270
these and then there were logarithmic

831
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:45,460
spirals coming each out of each one of

832
00:36:51,330 --> 00:36:47,530
those major points going in a clockwise

833
00:36:51,450 --> 00:36:51,340
or counterclockwise direction according

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00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:51,460
to

835
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:54,130
a golden mean 1.618 and on where these

836
00:36:58,320 --> 00:36:56,290
lines crossed the straight lines

837
00:37:00,240 --> 00:36:58,330
determined where there were other power

838
00:37:02,820 --> 00:37:00,250
places on the surface of the earth so

839
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:02,830
again I didn't really understand what

840
00:37:07,170 --> 00:37:04,810
this meant at that point and I still

841
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:07,180
don't entirely understand it but I saw

842
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:09,210
oh there's this incredible energy

843
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:12,610
structure inside the planet that is why

844
00:37:16,170 --> 00:37:14,410
I likened it to the planetary

845
00:37:18,750 --> 00:37:16,180
acupuncture points being sort of like

846
00:37:21,900 --> 00:37:18,760
acupuncture points on the body and human

847
00:37:23,910 --> 00:37:21,910
beings found some of these in antiquity

848
00:37:26,790 --> 00:37:23,920
72% of the surface of the earth is

849
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:26,800
underwater and so the 28% that is on

850
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:28,930
land some of it is in uninhabitable it's

851
00:37:33,450 --> 00:37:30,610
an I mountains people never went there

852
00:37:36,690 --> 00:37:33,460
but people found some of these power

853
00:37:38,930 --> 00:37:36,700
places and they some of them not all

854
00:37:41,610 --> 00:37:38,940
some of them they use to sacred sites

855
00:37:43,650 --> 00:37:41,620
now we're going to have we're going to

856
00:37:47,690 --> 00:37:43,660
hit a break here in two minutes let me

857
00:37:51,180 --> 00:37:47,700
ask you this I I don't want to sound

858
00:37:54,930 --> 00:37:51,190
immature but what is your favorite

859
00:37:57,300 --> 00:37:54,940
sacred site I get asked that a lot in

860
00:37:59,850 --> 00:37:57,310
maybe twenty years ago I had one I

861
00:38:02,310 --> 00:37:59,860
really like to Japan called miyajima an

862
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:02,320
island but now I've been to about a

863
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:04,930
thousand of these sites in 159 countries

864
00:38:10,470 --> 00:38:08,170
and I don't have a favorite one there's

865
00:38:12,660 --> 00:38:10,480
a number of different types of sites and

866
00:38:14,790 --> 00:38:12,670
we can get an indication of type of site

867
00:38:17,700 --> 00:38:14,800
by the metaphors that are encoded in the

868
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:17,710
deities of the different religions but I

869
00:38:21,780 --> 00:38:20,050
don't have a specific site that is my

870
00:38:23,970 --> 00:38:21,790
favorite one there's a bunch I like

871
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:23,980
there's none that I don't like but

872
00:38:28,950 --> 00:38:26,410
different people resonate with different

873
00:38:31,770 --> 00:38:28,960
types of sites for different reasons at

874
00:38:34,020 --> 00:38:31,780
different times in their lives I'm just

875
00:38:36,420 --> 00:38:34,030
sort of the photo archivist of all of

876
00:38:38,610 --> 00:38:36,430
them I love them all there are some I

877
00:38:41,580 --> 00:38:38,620
really like but there's no favorite one

878
00:38:43,590 --> 00:38:41,590
have you been to gobekli tepe yet no and

879
00:38:46,050 --> 00:38:43,600
that's a sad thing I was in San Leota

880
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:46,060
fho which is very nearby right I don't

881
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:48,130
know 20 years ago but it hadn't been

882
00:38:52,290 --> 00:38:50,410
discovered yet and I was talking to my

883
00:38:54,090 --> 00:38:52,300
friend Graham Hancock and Andrew Collins

884
00:38:55,290 --> 00:38:54,100
a few months ago and they said well

885
00:38:57,030 --> 00:38:55,300
you're not going to be so happy when you

886
00:38:59,370 --> 00:38:57,040
get there because they build an awning

887
00:39:00,690 --> 00:38:59,380
over it now and it doesn't look like it

888
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:00,700
used to look but that's all right

889
00:39:04,980 --> 00:39:02,890
because I could do you know some detail

890
00:39:07,410 --> 00:39:04,990
photography on some of the stones but no

891
00:39:09,180 --> 00:39:07,420
I have not been to gobekli tepe I think

892
00:39:11,940 --> 00:39:09,190
they built the awning man because of

893
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:11,950
satellites I that's my you know I don't

894
00:39:16,380 --> 00:39:14,050
want to be too conspiratorial on this

895
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:16,390
and well that might be one reason one of

896
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:17,410
the other things they're doing is

897
00:39:20,609 --> 00:39:18,970
they're just trying to protect the you

898
00:39:22,290 --> 00:39:20,619
know the very delicate Bob relief

899
00:39:24,180 --> 00:39:22,300
carvings on some of the stones that were

900
00:39:25,890 --> 00:39:24,190
you know had been covered up yeah and

901
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:25,900
that's a good an archaeologist they do

902
00:39:29,370 --> 00:39:28,090
that yeah I know they get a grant and

903
00:39:31,470 --> 00:39:29,380
they try to put everything in a box

904
00:39:33,630 --> 00:39:31,480
that's just the nature of Orthodox

905
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:33,640
archaeologists they do that and and

906
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:35,770
you've been you know what caught my eye

907
00:39:39,270 --> 00:39:37,330
we're gonna we're going to jump to a

908
00:39:42,900 --> 00:39:39,280
break here in 30 seconds but as you know

909
00:39:45,510 --> 00:39:42,910
you we were part of a Ken Klein's

910
00:39:49,170 --> 00:39:45,520
extraordinary video series on Giza in

911
00:39:51,990 --> 00:39:49,180
the Great Pyramid and your enthusiasm

912
00:39:54,510 --> 00:39:52,000
there was absolutely extraordinary

913
00:39:56,910 --> 00:39:54,520
but you were quite a bit ahead of the

914
00:39:59,609 --> 00:39:56,920
curve too as well and I want to talk a

915
00:40:01,859 --> 00:39:59,619
little bit about Giza but I want to take

916
00:40:03,780 --> 00:40:01,869
a dance around the world with all of

917
00:40:05,970 --> 00:40:03,790
these sacred sites and and take a look

918
00:40:07,710 --> 00:40:05,980
at your photography too as well so let's

919
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get let's do that right after the break

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let's do that right now our guest

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tonight the one and only Martin gray

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Martin I'm serious I'm so glad we had

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Jimmy Church more with Martin right

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welcome back fade to black our guest

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tonight Martin gray he is a photographer

998
00:44:35,050 --> 00:44:32,359
of sacred architecture art and

999
00:44:37,270 --> 00:44:35,060
pilgrimage sites around the world we're

1000
00:44:40,450 --> 00:44:37,280
discussing all of that tonight he's a

1001
00:44:42,310 --> 00:44:40,460
real pilgrim his photography is amazing

1002
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:42,320
if you go to NatGeo go to National

1003
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Geographic in search Martin gray he's

1004
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got Martin he's got like over 700

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photographs posted there it's an

1006
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incredible tour of the world yep you can

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do any fun to do it Matt you know we all

1008
00:45:03,130 --> 00:44:58,550
see photography all the time but you

1009
00:45:05,590 --> 00:45:03,140
have a way of capturing an image and can

1010
00:45:09,820 --> 00:45:05,600
you just tell me what what is it what is

1011
00:45:11,950 --> 00:45:09,830
it that you do it well you know people a

1012
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:11,960
lot of times National Geographic other

1013
00:45:15,940 --> 00:45:13,490
people they say I'm a great photographer

1014
00:45:18,670 --> 00:45:15,950
and I go no I'm actually a mediocre

1015
00:45:20,740 --> 00:45:18,680
photographer photographing great art I

1016
00:45:22,780 --> 00:45:20,750
didn't build the great pyramids or

1017
00:45:24,609 --> 00:45:22,790
Stonehenge I just took the time to find

1018
00:45:27,220 --> 00:45:24,619
the right place to stand in at the right

1019
00:45:29,500 --> 00:45:27,230
time of the day and I press the button

1020
00:45:33,220 --> 00:45:29,510
on little black box called the camera I

1021
00:45:35,770 --> 00:45:33,230
do however a certain sort of way of

1022
00:45:37,930 --> 00:45:35,780
looking at things and basically I tell

1023
00:45:39,970 --> 00:45:37,940
people a lot of times it takes 10

1024
00:45:41,650 --> 00:45:39,980
seconds to go to take a good photograph

1025
00:45:43,240 --> 00:45:41,660
you just have to slow down i watch

1026
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:43,250
people taking pictures nowadays with

1027
00:45:47,349 --> 00:45:44,810
their phones and they click click click

1028
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:47,359
click click and I say take 10 seconds

1029
00:45:51,370 --> 00:45:49,970
and you know pan and tilt and compose

1030
00:45:54,070 --> 00:45:51,380
the image and it's going to look better

1031
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:54,080
so there's that and also there is a

1032
00:45:58,690 --> 00:45:56,090
desire in me and a lot of times when I'm

1033
00:46:00,550 --> 00:45:58,700
making these photographs I don't any

1034
00:46:03,370 --> 00:46:00,560
longer really consider them photographs

1035
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:03,380
I consider them windows through which

1036
00:46:09,270 --> 00:46:05,810
the visual homeopathic essence of the

1037
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:09,280
sites comes to the viewer and I have a

1038
00:46:14,830 --> 00:46:12,410
spiritual relationship with these sites

1039
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:14,840
and so a lot of times when I'm making

1040
00:46:18,580 --> 00:46:16,970
the photograph I'm making a prayer to

1041
00:46:21,250 --> 00:46:18,590
the spirit of the place and I'm saying

1042
00:46:23,890 --> 00:46:21,260
please help me construct this image in

1043
00:46:26,140 --> 00:46:23,900
such a way so that someone looking at it

1044
00:46:28,390 --> 00:46:26,150
later I might be taking a picture of the

1045
00:46:30,910 --> 00:46:28,400
Great Pyramid for example and in 20

1046
00:46:32,710 --> 00:46:30,920
years later in somebody in Cincinnati is

1047
00:46:35,140 --> 00:46:32,720
going to be looking at it but by looking

1048
00:46:37,510 --> 00:46:35,150
at it as a window they are in a sense

1049
00:46:39,170 --> 00:46:37,520
there so that there's a relationship

1050
00:46:42,079 --> 00:46:39,180
between me and the site

1051
00:46:43,910 --> 00:46:42,089
that helps to create this photograph so

1052
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:43,920
that someone looking at it later isn't

1053
00:46:47,930 --> 00:46:45,690
really looking at a photograph they're

1054
00:46:51,500 --> 00:46:47,940
looking through a window at the place

1055
00:46:57,410 --> 00:46:51,510
yeah there's one image that really moved

1056
00:46:59,569 --> 00:46:57,420
me and it was a temple in India of the

1057
00:47:01,970 --> 00:46:59,579
the temple is out in the water right

1058
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:01,980
what you know the golden temple maybe

1059
00:47:08,329 --> 00:47:02,970
Wow

1060
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:08,339
wow what a nice shot yeah man okay all

1061
00:47:11,630 --> 00:47:09,930
right now let me now that that's an

1062
00:47:13,430 --> 00:47:11,640
interesting picture because that is the

1063
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:13,440
first place I'm looking at it right now

1064
00:47:18,799 --> 00:47:16,410
that is the first place I ever traveled

1065
00:47:21,170 --> 00:47:18,809
on my own my mother felt that okay I'm

1066
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:21,180
sufficiently trained and traveling so I

1067
00:47:25,309 --> 00:47:22,890
went to Old Delhi and I got on a train

1068
00:47:26,930 --> 00:47:25,319
and a train in Old Delhi and I took the

1069
00:47:29,450 --> 00:47:26,940
train by myself to Amritsar

1070
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:29,460
which means pool of ambrosial nectar

1071
00:47:33,470 --> 00:47:31,650
that's very important names of the

1072
00:47:35,150 --> 00:47:33,480
places are always very important the

1073
00:47:37,309 --> 00:47:35,160
name a lot of times will give you a

1074
00:47:39,980 --> 00:47:37,319
metaphoric indication of the power of

1075
00:47:43,069 --> 00:47:39,990
place the place is also called Hadi

1076
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:43,079
Mandir which in Sanskrit means temple of

1077
00:47:48,620 --> 00:47:45,930
God so there's this pool of ambrosial

1078
00:47:50,990 --> 00:47:48,630
nectar at the temple of God and I was

1079
00:47:53,240 --> 00:47:51,000
there my first time I think I was 13

1080
00:47:55,010 --> 00:47:53,250
years old in two months when I was first

1081
00:47:56,539 --> 00:47:55,020
there and took that that a number of

1082
00:47:58,490 --> 00:47:56,549
pictures the one you see on the website

1083
00:48:00,530 --> 00:47:58,500
is one that I took about 20 years ago

1084
00:48:02,930 --> 00:48:00,540
when I was back there people say okay

1085
00:48:05,539 --> 00:48:02,940
what are your favorite places well in a

1086
00:48:07,940 --> 00:48:05,549
sense if there's 10 this could be one of

1087
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:07,950
them I loved that place very very very

1088
00:48:15,650 --> 00:48:12,690
clearly it's that picture how did you

1089
00:48:17,569 --> 00:48:15,660
it almost obviously you're either in a

1090
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:17,579
tall building or a helicopter how did

1091
00:48:22,579 --> 00:48:20,490
you how do you pull this off well first

1092
00:48:24,380 --> 00:48:22,589
of all I went in it's helpful if you if

1093
00:48:26,030 --> 00:48:24,390
you're a photographer National

1094
00:48:27,859 --> 00:48:26,040
Geographic photographer because it opens

1095
00:48:30,260 --> 00:48:27,869
up some doors so I went and I met with

1096
00:48:32,299 --> 00:48:30,270
the administrator of the site I told him

1097
00:48:34,010 --> 00:48:32,309
what I did and then he was rather

1098
00:48:35,450 --> 00:48:34,020
surprising he gave me a cane he said

1099
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:35,460
this is going to open up a number of

1100
00:48:40,700 --> 00:48:38,010
doors around this building and so then

1101
00:48:43,940 --> 00:48:40,710
on the UH where I'm standing I found

1102
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:43,950
this room and I could see out this

1103
00:48:47,750 --> 00:48:45,690
certain window of the temple but I

1104
00:48:49,339 --> 00:48:47,760
wanted to be up higher so I climbed out

1105
00:48:51,410 --> 00:48:49,349
of this window and it kind of got kind

1106
00:48:52,460 --> 00:48:51,420
of dangerous and Donna got up on top of

1107
00:48:55,550 --> 00:48:52,470
this roof

1108
00:48:57,980 --> 00:48:55,560
and then I took that picture it was such

1109
00:49:00,020 --> 00:48:57,990
a lovely location it for three days in a

1110
00:49:02,329 --> 00:49:00,030
row in the afternoon I'd go back to the

1111
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:02,339
same place even after I got the picture

1112
00:49:06,079 --> 00:49:04,290
and I just sit there for a few hours in

1113
00:49:08,359 --> 00:49:06,089
the afternoon as the Sun was setting in

1114
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:08,369
Leuven ating that Golden Temple it's

1115
00:49:12,650 --> 00:49:10,170
incredible that there is something on

1116
00:49:14,450 --> 00:49:12,660
planet earth that looks like this yeah I

1117
00:49:16,099 --> 00:49:14,460
mean the guy's got this one series of

1118
00:49:18,710 --> 00:49:16,109
pictures that I call my gold in the

1119
00:49:20,809 --> 00:49:18,720
series and I just like five really great

1120
00:49:22,550 --> 00:49:20,819
images all the buildings that are golden

1121
00:49:27,470 --> 00:49:22,560
they're really gorgeous together yeah

1122
00:49:30,500 --> 00:49:27,480
absolutely amazing absolutely now let's

1123
00:49:35,180 --> 00:49:30,510
let's jump back to Giza for a second one

1124
00:49:38,240 --> 00:49:35,190
of the one of one of my concerns is this

1125
00:49:40,609 --> 00:49:38,250
is that everything didn't start at 3,000

1126
00:49:43,210 --> 00:49:40,619
BC whether it was you know Mesopotamia

1127
00:49:45,620 --> 00:49:43,220
or Egypt or however

1128
00:49:47,329 --> 00:49:45,630
Orthodox academia is going to try to

1129
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:47,339
present that picture to us things are

1130
00:49:53,390 --> 00:49:50,210
much much older than we are being told

1131
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:53,400
and when you walk around Giza with your

1132
00:49:59,390 --> 00:49:55,410
evidence and the things that you have

1133
00:50:02,240 --> 00:49:59,400
seen there why is it that the man just

1134
00:50:04,970 --> 00:50:02,250
will not listen to people like you and

1135
00:50:07,849 --> 00:50:04,980
the alternative ways of looking at

1136
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:07,859
things and and maybe try to apply

1137
00:50:21,620 --> 00:50:13,050
science to our our own history why did

1138
00:50:24,530 --> 00:50:21,630
they close that down to us hmm hmm gosh

1139
00:50:27,079 --> 00:50:24,540
I an answer doesn't come quickly to mind

1140
00:50:30,410 --> 00:50:27,089
to say that but what I will say about

1141
00:50:32,900 --> 00:50:30,420
that Perez a plateau there's sort of two

1142
00:50:35,569 --> 00:50:32,910
types of structures there there's the

1143
00:50:38,329 --> 00:50:35,579
stuff that you know was built by the

1144
00:50:40,220 --> 00:50:38,339
dynastic Egyptians and then you have the

1145
00:50:42,079 --> 00:50:40,230
Sphinx the Sphinx temple the valley

1146
00:50:45,260 --> 00:50:42,089
temple and then you have the Great

1147
00:50:47,660 --> 00:50:45,270
Pyramid my feeling and Robert Schoch in

1148
00:50:49,579 --> 00:50:47,670
Robert Bauval were both here in Sedona

1149
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:49,589
just recently and they were talking

1150
00:50:54,829 --> 00:50:52,050
about the age of the Sphinx some people

1151
00:50:56,780 --> 00:50:54,839
because of erosion studies will say the

1152
00:51:00,200 --> 00:50:56,790
Sphinx is at least seven thousand years

1153
00:51:03,710 --> 00:51:00,210
old you know pre-dynastic Egypt around

1154
00:51:06,230 --> 00:51:03,720
3,000 BC as you said but the Sphinx some

1155
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:06,240
people say because the orientation

1156
00:51:11,300 --> 00:51:09,090
of it and where it was focused on where

1157
00:51:15,109 --> 00:51:11,310
it was pointed to indicates that it's

1158
00:51:15,830 --> 00:51:15,119
possibly 10,500 BC or earlier I happen

1159
00:51:18,580 --> 00:51:15,840
to agree with that

1160
00:51:20,870 --> 00:51:18,590
and then there's the Great Pyramid as

1161
00:51:23,690 --> 00:51:20,880
contrasting to the other pyramids the

1162
00:51:26,150 --> 00:51:23,700
other pyramids were probably probably

1163
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:26,160
I'm not sure but it seems like the other

1164
00:51:31,490 --> 00:51:28,890
pyramids were probably built by dynastic

1165
00:51:33,710 --> 00:51:31,500
Egyptians my feeling is the dynastic

1166
00:51:36,020 --> 00:51:33,720
Egyptians came there at a certain time

1167
00:51:38,210 --> 00:51:36,030
and they saw the Great Pyramid and they

1168
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:38,220
attempted to copy it at saqqara and

1169
00:51:41,630 --> 00:51:39,690
Memphis and some others and then they

1170
00:51:43,370 --> 00:51:41,640
got their technology down and they could

1171
00:51:46,070 --> 00:51:43,380
make other pyramids but the Great

1172
00:51:48,620 --> 00:51:46,080
Pyramid itself we couldn't build it

1173
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:48,630
nowadays we don't really know how it was

1174
00:51:52,340 --> 00:51:50,130
built whether it was built with

1175
00:51:53,720 --> 00:51:52,350
extraterrestrial influence or not isn't

1176
00:51:56,630 --> 00:51:53,730
very interesting and a contentious

1177
00:52:00,770 --> 00:51:56,640
subject but the Great Pyramid itself in

1178
00:52:03,470 --> 00:52:00,780
my opinion it's at least 12,000 BC it

1179
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:03,480
doesn't match everything else you know

1180
00:52:10,340 --> 00:52:06,090
and then oh it just doesn't it talked

1181
00:52:12,380 --> 00:52:10,350
about contrast when you see Khufu's you

1182
00:52:14,450 --> 00:52:12,390
know his wife and his mom and you see

1183
00:52:16,580 --> 00:52:14,460
the three pyramids a small ones that are

1184
00:52:19,940 --> 00:52:16,590
next to the three big ones those are

1185
00:52:22,970 --> 00:52:19,950
piles of rubble mm-hmm right I mean

1186
00:52:26,090 --> 00:52:22,980
they're piles they if anything those

1187
00:52:28,910 --> 00:52:26,100
should have been built quite easily and

1188
00:52:31,130 --> 00:52:28,920
quite handsome and perfect right they're

1189
00:52:33,109 --> 00:52:31,140
smaller it's an easier thing to do and

1190
00:52:35,599 --> 00:52:33,119
if you have the same engineers and

1191
00:52:38,050 --> 00:52:35,609
architects and everybody is there you

1192
00:52:41,690 --> 00:52:38,060
know but yet they are just literally

1193
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:41,700
piles of inconsistent rock it's not even

1194
00:52:46,730 --> 00:52:44,210
consistent the way that they were built

1195
00:52:49,750 --> 00:52:46,740
there's a really good essay on my

1196
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:49,760
website on sacred sites calm under the

1197
00:52:53,599 --> 00:52:52,170
africa then you go to egypt and the on

1198
00:52:55,190 --> 00:52:53,609
the right side of the page you'll see oh

1199
00:52:57,440 --> 00:52:55,200
great pyramid and there's i've got a

1200
00:52:59,030 --> 00:52:57,450
seven or eight page essay just on the

1201
00:53:00,859 --> 00:52:59,040
Great Pyramid if people are interested

1202
00:53:02,510 --> 00:53:00,869
in that they should read that there's a

1203
00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:02,520
whole lot of information in that that

1204
00:53:05,990 --> 00:53:04,050
I'm not going to try to talk about now

1205
00:53:08,420 --> 00:53:06,000
but maybe you've heard of John Anthony

1206
00:53:10,670 --> 00:53:08,430
West or he's one of the top guys on

1207
00:53:12,260 --> 00:53:10,680
Egypt and I gave the essay to John West

1208
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:12,270
and he said one time he says the best

1209
00:53:17,420 --> 00:53:14,970
short essay written on the Great Pyramid

1210
00:53:19,630 --> 00:53:17,430
you mentioned you know shocked and the

1211
00:53:22,450 --> 00:53:19,640
vol and Hancock I had

1212
00:53:25,270 --> 00:53:22,460
all of them right before they went to

1213
00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:25,280
Sedona they were all on a panel with me

1214
00:53:30,250 --> 00:53:28,130
over at contacting the dead hey yeah

1215
00:53:32,290 --> 00:53:30,260
yeah and John Anthony West you know he's

1216
00:53:33,610 --> 00:53:32,300
he's got his battle with cancer right

1217
00:53:37,510 --> 00:53:33,620
now and he couldn't make it

1218
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:37,520
yeah and we missed him but what I did do

1219
00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:40,970
is I went down the panelist and I said

1220
00:53:47,170 --> 00:53:44,530
okay you guys what's the most important

1221
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:47,180
megalithic site right now you know where

1222
00:53:51,220 --> 00:53:50,810
should we it was overwhelmingly gobekli

1223
00:53:54,790 --> 00:53:51,230
tepe

1224
00:53:58,090 --> 00:53:54,800
okay but the conversation always goes

1225
00:54:01,060 --> 00:53:58,100
back to the Great Pyramid the ages of it

1226
00:54:03,850 --> 00:54:01,070
and who built it if it wasn't dynastic

1227
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:03,860
Egypt then what was it that was

1228
00:54:09,430 --> 00:54:07,490
predating everything and who could have

1229
00:54:11,590 --> 00:54:09,440
built it and left it over as a

1230
00:54:16,660 --> 00:54:11,600
hand-me-down you know a secondhand

1231
00:54:18,340 --> 00:54:16,670
monument to to to the Pharaohs what do

1232
00:54:20,620 --> 00:54:18,350
you think happened there who deeds it

1233
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:20,630
what was the culture that could have

1234
00:54:25,510 --> 00:54:22,010
built a Great Pyramid

1235
00:54:28,210 --> 00:54:25,520
oh boy then we can I go out on a limb

1236
00:54:31,390 --> 00:54:28,220
and I've got to start talking about you

1237
00:54:34,810 --> 00:54:31,400
know pre cataclysms and crustal

1238
00:54:37,090 --> 00:54:34,820
displacement and uh you know but one of

1239
00:54:39,850 --> 00:54:37,100
my favorite subjects to the last 25

1240
00:54:42,070 --> 00:54:39,860
years is paleoclimatology and paleo

1241
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:42,080
mythology and paleoanthropology and what

1242
00:54:48,250 --> 00:54:44,090
was going on is on this planet from

1243
00:54:51,010 --> 00:54:48,260
basically 20,000 BC to 5000 BC and

1244
00:54:52,330 --> 00:54:51,020
there's some extraordinary stuff you

1245
00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:52,340
know a lot of people will talk about it

1246
00:54:58,180 --> 00:54:55,970
lantus and Lemuria and I can I can talk

1247
00:55:00,550 --> 00:54:58,190
about that stuff in Graham and I have

1248
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:00,560
real detailed discussions about that I

1249
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:04,210
can talk about that for hours I think I

1250
00:55:11,110 --> 00:55:08,930
think there had to be some people on

1251
00:55:12,970 --> 00:55:11,120
this planet that were highly

1252
00:55:16,690 --> 00:55:12,980
sophisticated mathematically in

1253
00:55:20,230 --> 00:55:16,700
engineering wise before 10,000 BC and

1254
00:55:23,020 --> 00:55:20,240
they left a lot of structures and then

1255
00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:23,030
why did those structures disappear well

1256
00:55:28,990 --> 00:55:26,530
you know right now Graham and Robert

1257
00:55:30,790 --> 00:55:29,000
Robert Schoch are having a little bit of

1258
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:30,800
an argument because there's something

1259
00:55:38,050 --> 00:55:33,650
that maybe happened in 9006

1260
00:55:40,150 --> 00:55:38,060
BC 10,500 BC and Graham says okay

1261
00:55:43,270 --> 00:55:40,160
there's a large cometary object that hit

1262
00:55:44,650 --> 00:55:43,280
the the northern ice cap and Jacques

1263
00:55:48,070 --> 00:55:44,660
says there's something to happen to

1264
00:55:49,690 --> 00:55:48,080
sunspot activity on the Sun whatever was

1265
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:49,700
the cause of this and I think both of

1266
00:55:53,350 --> 00:55:51,290
them have valid points when talking

1267
00:55:55,300 --> 00:55:53,360
about it but whatever with it was the

1268
00:55:57,700 --> 00:55:55,310
cause of this thing I think what we do

1269
00:55:59,830 --> 00:55:57,710
is we had some crustal displacement we

1270
00:56:02,590 --> 00:55:59,840
had the melting of the ice cap not ice

1271
00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:02,600
caps the ice cap the raising of the

1272
00:56:06,070 --> 00:56:03,170
waters

1273
00:56:08,950 --> 00:56:06,080
we had just tremendous cataclysms on the

1274
00:56:11,860 --> 00:56:08,960
planet back then and it obliterated or

1275
00:56:13,990 --> 00:56:11,870
hid lots of the evidences of really

1276
00:56:15,310 --> 00:56:14,000
really ancient civilizations that's one

1277
00:56:17,380 --> 00:56:15,320
of the things I think is Graham has been

1278
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:17,390
really magnificent in doing with his

1279
00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:19,370
first book the fingerprints of the gods

1280
00:56:23,890 --> 00:56:21,410
in his most recent book The Magicians of

1281
00:56:27,070 --> 00:56:23,900
the Gods is bringing more archaeological

1282
00:56:28,990 --> 00:56:27,080
evidence to this more archaeological

1283
00:56:30,850 --> 00:56:29,000
notice of this stuff that the

1284
00:56:32,860 --> 00:56:30,860
archaeologists they just cannot explain

1285
00:56:34,990 --> 00:56:32,870
you've heard of Michael Cremo in his

1286
00:56:37,210 --> 00:56:35,000
book forbidden archeology absolutely

1287
00:56:39,220 --> 00:56:37,220
yeah that's fantastic book he finds all

1288
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:39,230
this stuff in museum why is it down in

1289
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:40,850
the basement the reason it's down in the

1290
00:56:44,830 --> 00:56:42,890
basement is because we have plenty of we

1291
00:56:46,780 --> 00:56:44,840
have plenty of stuff that we can date

1292
00:56:48,670 --> 00:56:46,790
that we can explain and the stuff that

1293
00:56:50,620 --> 00:56:48,680
we can't they keep it in boxes in the

1294
00:56:51,780 --> 00:56:50,630
basement but there's lots and lots of

1295
00:56:54,700 --> 00:56:51,790
stuff that the contemporary

1296
00:56:56,980 --> 00:56:54,710
archaeological paradigm cannot explain

1297
00:56:58,420 --> 00:56:56,990
and I think that is critically important

1298
00:57:03,100 --> 00:56:58,430
that we start paying more attention to

1299
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:03,110
that and when we look at the we always

1300
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:05,570
go back to Egyptologist right but when

1301
00:57:11,710 --> 00:57:08,450
we look at the the archaeologists and

1302
00:57:14,890 --> 00:57:11,720
the historians out there that want to

1303
00:57:17,410 --> 00:57:14,900
simplify things and their answer to all

1304
00:57:20,290 --> 00:57:17,420
of this is you're not giving credit

1305
00:57:22,330 --> 00:57:20,300
enough to Stone Age man you're not given

1306
00:57:25,030 --> 00:57:22,340
enough credit they really knew what they

1307
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:25,040
were doing and that is their answer they

1308
00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:27,050
don't want to back it up with science or

1309
00:57:32,110 --> 00:57:29,330
research they want to simplify things

1310
00:57:34,120 --> 00:57:32,120
and try to dumb it down and I guess it's

1311
00:57:36,370 --> 00:57:34,130
in hopes that people like you or myself

1312
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:36,380
we're gonna eventually just say yeah

1313
00:57:42,790 --> 00:57:40,010
okay you know why I don't understand

1314
00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:42,800
that that mentality well you know

1315
00:57:47,110 --> 00:57:44,930
they're in a box you go to a university

1316
00:57:48,670 --> 00:57:47,120
you get your degree in classical art

1317
00:57:50,230 --> 00:57:48,680
geology and you're told a certain things

1318
00:57:51,580 --> 00:57:50,240
and then you want to get tenure and then

1319
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:51,590
you want to write your papers and so

1320
00:57:55,390 --> 00:57:52,850
you're that you're just kept in a box

1321
00:57:59,500 --> 00:57:55,400
and you know you look at megalithic

1322
00:58:01,630 --> 00:57:59,510
stuff in Europe and okay 4000 BC to 2000

1323
00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:01,640
BC but you look at gobekli tepe even

1324
00:58:06,190 --> 00:58:03,530
National Geographic says is at least

1325
00:58:08,590 --> 00:58:06,200
9000 BC right oh it's far earlier

1326
00:58:11,200 --> 00:58:08,600
megalith means large stone it's far

1327
00:58:13,060 --> 00:58:11,210
gobekli tepe in the great pyramid or far

1328
00:58:17,250 --> 00:58:13,070
older than classical megalithic

1329
00:58:19,540 --> 00:58:17,260
civilization in Europe and that

1330
00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:19,550
archeology doesn't have a box to put it

1331
00:58:23,140 --> 00:58:21,530
in so it's people like you and I and

1332
00:58:26,740 --> 00:58:23,150
Graham and Robert Schoch and those

1333
00:58:28,570 --> 00:58:26,750
people we're creating a new box we're

1334
00:58:30,520 --> 00:58:28,580
bringing people's attention to something

1335
00:58:32,710 --> 00:58:30,530
that cannot be explained by contemporary

1336
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:32,720
archaeological paradigm and I feel

1337
00:58:36,220 --> 00:58:33,770
things are changing

1338
00:58:38,620 --> 00:58:36,230
they really are changing and do you

1339
00:58:43,090 --> 00:58:38,630
think that it will shift though to the

1340
00:58:45,910 --> 00:58:43,100
point where like like Khufu and the fact

1341
00:58:48,520 --> 00:58:45,920
that there is a forgery in in the upper

1342
00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:48,530
chambers there's no doubt about that and

1343
00:58:52,990 --> 00:58:51,530
and there's a really good book out now

1344
00:58:54,730 --> 00:58:53,000
by Scott crate and I don't know if

1345
00:58:58,290 --> 00:58:54,740
you've read it but the Great Pyramid

1346
00:59:01,480 --> 00:58:58,300
hoax yeah where he breaks down

1347
00:59:03,610 --> 00:59:01,490
everything pretty I think it's pretty

1348
00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:03,620
solid I think the evidence is there that

1349
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:05,690
it was a forgery and that him and his

1350
00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:08,330
assistants did that but you would have

1351
00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:12,250
to go back and you know and every

1352
00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:15,050
history book on the planet is going to

1353
00:59:20,260 --> 00:59:18,170
have to get updated and reprinted yeah

1354
00:59:22,390 --> 00:59:20,270
that is a bigger step yeah I mean

1355
00:59:26,830 --> 00:59:22,400
literally it would rewrite history

1356
00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:26,840
yep the the other thing that I wanted to

1357
00:59:32,560 --> 00:59:30,890
touch upon is where where the Great

1358
00:59:34,110 --> 00:59:32,570
Pyramid lies we're talking about ley

1359
00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:34,120
lines earlier right and power

1360
00:59:38,650 --> 00:59:37,250
powerpoints we have that in in Easter

1361
00:59:43,750 --> 00:59:38,660
Island we certainly have that in Machu

1362
00:59:46,990 --> 00:59:43,760
Picchu too as well that point that

1363
00:59:50,410 --> 00:59:47,000
technology of placing that pyramid where

1364
00:59:53,470 --> 00:59:50,420
it is goes beyond any common sense of

1365
00:59:55,420 --> 00:59:53,480
math or anything that they allegedly

1366
00:59:57,950 --> 00:59:55,430
knew how do you think that they chose

1367
01:00:03,240 --> 00:59:57,960
that point and why

1368
01:00:04,980 --> 01:00:03,250
who I think again I think it's a for me

1369
01:00:06,870 --> 01:00:04,990
I'm going out on a limb here but I think

1370
01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:06,880
again it's going to have something to do

1371
01:00:11,460 --> 01:00:09,730
with primary energy points on the planet

1372
01:00:14,310 --> 01:00:11,470
and then you could say well what are

1373
01:00:17,910 --> 01:00:14,320
those primary energy points for how are

1374
01:00:19,170 --> 01:00:17,920
they used and I think in my my work I

1375
01:00:21,630 --> 01:00:19,180
also talk about this thing called

1376
01:00:24,060 --> 01:00:21,640
planetary acupuncture that the energy at

1377
01:00:26,130 --> 01:00:24,070
these places goes both ways there's a

1378
01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:26,140
celestial energy that comes in at these

1379
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:27,970
sites and there's a terrestrial energy

1380
01:00:31,950 --> 01:00:30,010
that goes out at these sites and in

1381
01:00:34,170 --> 01:00:31,960
certain structures can be built at these

1382
01:00:36,330 --> 01:00:34,180
sites that gather concentrate and

1383
01:00:39,630 --> 01:00:36,340
radiate those energies and so when you

1384
01:00:41,580 --> 01:00:39,640
get a place of a particular geophysical

1385
01:00:43,110 --> 01:00:41,590
site that has these energies and then

1386
01:00:45,780 --> 01:00:43,120
you build a structure like the Great

1387
01:00:48,750 --> 01:00:45,790
Pyramid at it it is it's it's hugely

1388
01:00:50,700 --> 01:00:48,760
powerful hugely powerful in the geometry

1389
01:00:54,330 --> 01:00:50,710
I oftentimes say to people if you look

1390
01:00:56,370 --> 01:00:54,340
at a guitar or a flute what they are is

1391
01:00:58,890 --> 01:00:56,380
it's just created with mathematics

1392
01:01:01,100 --> 01:00:58,900
well the Great Pyramid is created with

1393
01:01:03,780 --> 01:01:01,110
mathematics so it's in a sense a huge

1394
01:01:05,760 --> 01:01:03,790
resonating chamber and so when people go

1395
01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:05,770
inside of that thing that is mistakenly

1396
01:01:09,420 --> 01:01:07,450
called a King's Chamber there was never

1397
01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:09,430
a king and it is just the larger chamber

1398
01:01:13,890 --> 01:01:11,770
and the coffer in it is not and now in

1399
01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:13,900
the orientation or position it used to

1400
01:01:18,600 --> 01:01:16,410
be but when people went into that coffer

1401
01:01:20,730 --> 01:01:18,610
specifically at certain times of the

1402
01:01:22,530 --> 01:01:20,740
year and there was these two energies

1403
01:01:24,150 --> 01:01:22,540
coming together these terrestrial in the

1404
01:01:26,250 --> 01:01:24,160
celestial energies it would have

1405
01:01:27,960 --> 01:01:26,260
tremendous effects upon people when they

1406
01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:27,970
were in that chamber or in that coffer

1407
01:01:33,540 --> 01:01:29,770
and I think that's one of the primary

1408
01:01:35,850 --> 01:01:33,550
reasons that structure was built the I

1409
01:01:37,560 --> 01:01:35,860
want to talk some logistics here for a

1410
01:01:41,220 --> 01:01:37,570
second even that you look at the coffer

1411
01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:41,230
that's only five feet on the inside and

1412
01:01:49,050 --> 01:01:44,730
now you would have all of the other

1413
01:01:52,740 --> 01:01:49,060
coffins right third like Russian dolls

1414
01:01:54,540 --> 01:01:52,750
that means the Pharaoh even let's say we

1415
01:01:58,110 --> 01:01:54,550
accept what they say even that it was a

1416
01:01:59,670 --> 01:01:58,120
tomb for Khufu so you're telling me that

1417
01:02:01,950 --> 01:01:59,680
he was a three and a half foot tall

1418
01:02:03,450 --> 01:02:01,960
Pharaoh right

1419
01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:03,460
yeah do you understand what I'm saying

1420
01:02:08,970 --> 01:02:05,890
yeah I agree completely it doesn't make

1421
01:02:11,350 --> 01:02:08,980
any sense it just doesn't make any sense

1422
01:02:13,910 --> 01:02:11,360
I wanted to ask you this

1423
01:02:17,720 --> 01:02:13,920
going back to Easter Island really quick

1424
01:02:20,720 --> 01:02:17,730
when you're looking at those uh those

1425
01:02:23,840 --> 01:02:20,730
statues which and the one that's still

1426
01:02:24,800 --> 01:02:23,850
in the quarry is 250 tons you know some

1427
01:02:27,109 --> 01:02:24,810
crazy number

1428
01:02:29,600 --> 01:02:27,119
how are those getting moved around I

1429
01:02:31,700 --> 01:02:29,610
think that's pretty well explained at

1430
01:02:34,370 --> 01:02:31,710
this point because when people got there

1431
01:02:36,170 --> 01:02:34,380
whether it's the 7th 8th 10th 11th

1432
01:02:38,690 --> 01:02:36,180
century it was completely covered in

1433
01:02:40,580 --> 01:02:38,700
trees a certain type of palm tree now it

1434
01:02:42,260 --> 01:02:40,590
is theorized that the people that came

1435
01:02:44,690 --> 01:02:42,270
over there there were rats on the boats

1436
01:02:46,310 --> 01:02:44,700
and their rat on their rafts and the

1437
01:02:48,290 --> 01:02:46,320
rats got into the island and they

1438
01:02:50,390 --> 01:02:48,300
started eating the roots of the trees

1439
01:02:52,250 --> 01:02:50,400
but the people are also cutting down the

1440
01:02:54,560 --> 01:02:52,260
trees these large palm trees for two

1441
01:02:56,420 --> 01:02:54,570
reasons one to make boats so they could

1442
01:02:58,010 --> 01:02:56,430
go fish off the coast because the fish

1443
01:02:59,720 --> 01:02:58,020
are not really plentiful right on the

1444
01:03:01,760 --> 01:02:59,730
coast you got to go a few miles out to

1445
01:03:04,160 --> 01:03:01,770
sea and they were also cutting to make

1446
01:03:07,340 --> 01:03:04,170
rollers and then they put these big

1447
01:03:08,840 --> 01:03:07,350
stones the moai and the on the stew on

1448
01:03:10,790 --> 01:03:08,850
the rollers and they could roll them

1449
01:03:13,550 --> 01:03:10,800
across the island this is what is

1450
01:03:16,130 --> 01:03:13,560
theorized I don't think it's that

1451
01:03:18,200 --> 01:03:16,140
difficult to mute now that big one

1452
01:03:20,690 --> 01:03:18,210
there's that huge one that is still not

1453
01:03:22,760 --> 01:03:20,700
completely excavated not completely free

1454
01:03:24,950 --> 01:03:22,770
carved right I don't think it would be

1455
01:03:26,540 --> 01:03:24,960
that difficult and I've seen engineering

1456
01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:26,550
studies about if you get one of the

1457
01:03:30,710 --> 01:03:28,410
heavy ones and you have enough rollers

1458
01:03:33,080 --> 01:03:30,720
there then they're not that difficult to

1459
01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:33,090
move you really think that that's how

1460
01:03:37,370 --> 01:03:34,410
they did it you can create it with

1461
01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:37,380
rollers I think that is a possible

1462
01:03:42,380 --> 01:03:40,410
explanation mmm now we could look at you

1463
01:03:46,580 --> 01:03:42,390
could say well we don't really have

1464
01:03:50,060 --> 01:03:46,590
evidence for archaeological evidence of

1465
01:03:51,830 --> 01:03:50,070
when they were carved let's say and you

1466
01:03:54,650 --> 01:03:51,840
can look at the erosion on them and go

1467
01:03:56,330 --> 01:03:54,660
okay in a lichen ology studies that some

1468
01:03:57,500 --> 01:03:56,340
people some scientists will go well

1469
01:03:59,930 --> 01:03:57,510
there they're really not that old but

1470
01:04:02,030 --> 01:03:59,940
let's say they are older far older I

1471
01:04:04,700 --> 01:04:02,040
think there are a lot of mysterious

1472
01:04:08,030 --> 01:04:04,710
movement of struck of stones around the

1473
01:04:10,970 --> 01:04:08,040
planet that couldn't be rolled on wooden

1474
01:04:12,890 --> 01:04:10,980
rollers I think there possibly and I

1475
01:04:15,560 --> 01:04:12,900
just like that place in Florida called

1476
01:04:17,690 --> 01:04:15,570
Coral Castle right there's a number of

1477
01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:17,700
places on the planet that they Baalbek

1478
01:04:21,859 --> 01:04:19,770
in Lebanon how did they move these huge

1479
01:04:23,810 --> 01:04:21,869
stones well you get these legends

1480
01:04:24,850 --> 01:04:23,820
sometimes that people move stones by

1481
01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:24,860
sound

1482
01:04:29,800 --> 01:04:27,770
so different tones create any

1483
01:04:31,420 --> 01:04:29,810
gravitational waves now I know a lot of

1484
01:04:33,220 --> 01:04:31,430
scientists would go that's impossible

1485
01:04:35,410 --> 01:04:33,230
and I go well just because you don't

1486
01:04:38,590 --> 01:04:35,420
know how to do it doesn't mean it's

1487
01:04:41,200 --> 01:04:38,600
impossible well that's exactly the point

1488
01:04:44,260 --> 01:04:41,210
isn't it and when we look at not only

1489
01:04:47,080 --> 01:04:44,270
bow back but you have Machu Picchu and

1490
01:04:50,560 --> 01:04:47,090
and getting stones to the top of that

1491
01:04:53,320 --> 01:04:50,570
mountain is is something that defies

1492
01:04:55,330 --> 01:04:53,330
explanation we can always go back to the

1493
01:04:57,670 --> 01:04:55,340
evidence of the Great Pyramid and and

1494
01:05:02,110 --> 01:04:57,680
and look at cusco and some of the other

1495
01:05:04,750 --> 01:05:02,120
sites in in Bolivia and the same issues

1496
01:05:08,590 --> 01:05:04,760
are found all around the world it's not

1497
01:05:12,430 --> 01:05:08,600
just in Lebanon right it's just not it's

1498
01:05:14,410 --> 01:05:12,440
all how do they possibly move these and

1499
01:05:16,420 --> 01:05:14,420
the other point that I think needs to be

1500
01:05:18,130 --> 01:05:16,430
driven home you've been to these sites I

1501
01:05:21,100 --> 01:05:18,140
have not been to Machu Picchu I've not

1502
01:05:25,440 --> 01:05:21,110
been to to bow back and I haven't been

1503
01:05:29,410 --> 01:05:25,450
to Gaza but this stuff was before steel

1504
01:05:35,200 --> 01:05:29,420
its before steel I do not know how you

1505
01:05:38,200 --> 01:05:35,210
are coring granite red granite with with

1506
01:05:40,780 --> 01:05:38,210
rocks and twigs and chicken bones I I

1507
01:05:42,160 --> 01:05:40,790
don't see how that happens well it's

1508
01:05:44,500 --> 01:05:42,170
interesting you bring that because a guy

1509
01:05:46,180 --> 01:05:44,510
named Christopher Dunn has done some

1510
01:05:48,910 --> 01:05:46,190
engineering studies there are numerous

1511
01:05:50,950 --> 01:05:48,920
places at Tiahuanaco and there are

1512
01:05:54,730 --> 01:05:50,960
numerous places in Egypt where you can

1513
01:05:58,630 --> 01:05:54,740
see evidence of circular drills saw

1514
01:06:00,700 --> 01:05:58,640
blades and of really really finely drill

1515
01:06:03,220 --> 01:06:00,710
and drilled holes that could we can only

1516
01:06:05,230 --> 01:06:03,230
do them now with diamond tip saws and

1517
01:06:07,360 --> 01:06:05,240
diamond tip drills but we don't have any

1518
01:06:09,190 --> 01:06:07,370
evidence of them having that back then

1519
01:06:10,420 --> 01:06:09,200
but we can look at the evidence and go

1520
01:06:11,290 --> 01:06:10,430
well it couldn't have been made any

1521
01:06:13,390 --> 01:06:11,300
other way

1522
01:06:15,880 --> 01:06:13,400
even though we don't have any metal or

1523
01:06:18,580 --> 01:06:15,890
diamond tip saws that they might have

1524
01:06:21,190 --> 01:06:18,590
used we can see the circular cutting

1525
01:06:23,590 --> 01:06:21,200
marks we know they had to be cut by some

1526
01:06:25,960 --> 01:06:23,600
sort of saw yeah and just don't know

1527
01:06:27,910 --> 01:06:25,970
what it was it couldn't have been copper

1528
01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:27,920
I mean that smell couldn't been copper

1529
01:06:33,100 --> 01:06:29,210
could it did bronze are not hard enough

1530
01:06:35,140 --> 01:06:33,110
no no no never never and but when you

1531
01:06:37,660 --> 01:06:35,150
know you get this other mysterious thing

1532
01:06:38,530 --> 01:06:37,670
with all Yantai Tombo and in in machu

1533
01:06:40,630 --> 01:06:38,540
picchu pre

1534
01:06:43,240 --> 01:06:40,640
incan are really not that sophisticated

1535
01:06:45,700 --> 01:06:43,250
by the way but you get these legends and

1536
01:06:48,490 --> 01:06:45,710
how do you explain this that by using

1537
01:06:50,440 --> 01:06:48,500
certain herbs together mixing these

1538
01:06:51,520 --> 01:06:50,450
herbs and putting out a scientist if

1539
01:06:53,050 --> 01:06:51,530
they heard this they're going to go this

1540
01:06:54,040 --> 01:06:53,060
is impossible but again just because you

1541
01:06:55,900 --> 01:06:54,050
don't know how to do it doesn't mean

1542
01:06:58,420 --> 01:06:55,910
it's not possible by putting certain

1543
01:07:01,060 --> 01:06:58,430
herbs together and putting it on a stone

1544
01:07:04,120 --> 01:07:01,070
it makes the stone temporarily like

1545
01:07:07,690 --> 01:07:04,130
putty and so you can move it you can

1546
01:07:11,860 --> 01:07:07,700
bend it that way that would explain a

1547
01:07:14,080 --> 01:07:11,870
lot of the irregular shapes you know we

1548
01:07:16,240 --> 01:07:14,090
have to try to digest this because when

1549
01:07:18,130 --> 01:07:16,250
you look at some of those walls in Peru

1550
01:07:21,220 --> 01:07:18,140
I mean he's got a cusco and you're just

1551
01:07:22,660 --> 01:07:21,230
like wait a minute here and you look at

1552
01:07:24,700 --> 01:07:22,670
it you know you look at the Spanish

1553
01:07:26,890 --> 01:07:24,710
version right and you look at the

1554
01:07:30,550 --> 01:07:26,900
ancient version of the same wall and

1555
01:07:32,980 --> 01:07:30,560
what we the Spanish version is supposed

1556
01:07:34,810 --> 01:07:32,990
to be more sophisticated or you know

1557
01:07:37,780 --> 01:07:34,820
what I mean more technically advanced

1558
01:07:40,990 --> 01:07:37,790
and quite simply it's not and so how did

1559
01:07:43,990 --> 01:07:41,000
they make this stuff malleable how did

1560
01:07:47,710 --> 01:07:44,000
that happen and we don't know we don't

1561
01:07:50,560 --> 01:07:47,720
know today and the the movement of that

1562
01:07:53,230 --> 01:07:50,570
now let's let's talk about Peru a little

1563
01:07:55,720 --> 01:07:53,240
bit here the movement of stuff in and

1564
01:07:57,910 --> 01:07:55,730
Baalbek you know boggles the mind of

1565
01:08:03,430 --> 01:07:57,920
course Egypt and and and so forth but

1566
01:08:06,250 --> 01:08:03,440
those stones are huge in Peru that came

1567
01:08:08,500 --> 01:08:06,260
from 20 30 40 miles away over some

1568
01:08:11,020 --> 01:08:08,510
pretty mountainous regions not a flat

1569
01:08:12,970 --> 01:08:11,030
desert you know you can kind of digest

1570
01:08:15,730 --> 01:08:12,980
the flat desert and try to work your way

1571
01:08:18,160 --> 01:08:15,740
through that we have no way of no idea

1572
01:08:20,470 --> 01:08:18,170
how they move the stones up to do anti

1573
01:08:23,110 --> 01:08:20,480
Tom but we have no idea and if you if I

1574
01:08:26,530 --> 01:08:23,120
talk to archaeologists I'll say okay

1575
01:08:29,410 --> 01:08:26,540
here explain this to me they can't they

1576
01:08:31,270 --> 01:08:29,420
can't and and this is the other thing

1577
01:08:34,470 --> 01:08:31,280
you've been to these sites you've been

1578
01:08:38,410 --> 01:08:34,480
to over 150 countries there is a

1579
01:08:40,210 --> 01:08:38,420
consistency in the megalithic structures

1580
01:08:43,539 --> 01:08:40,220
that are there when you have these

1581
01:08:47,110 --> 01:08:43,549
irregular stones or these mirror images

1582
01:08:51,039 --> 01:08:47,120
of irregular stones - on opposite walls

1583
01:08:52,689 --> 01:08:51,049
and but it's going on in Machu Picchu

1584
01:08:58,059 --> 01:08:52,699
and it's going on

1585
01:09:01,239 --> 01:08:58,069
in temples in in Egypt but yet the the

1586
01:09:04,269 --> 01:09:01,249
Incas we're talking about thousands of

1587
01:09:08,019 --> 01:09:04,279
years apart from the Egyptians and so

1588
01:09:10,569 --> 01:09:08,029
how they were not communicate any of the

1589
01:09:12,849 --> 01:09:10,579
Incas where Incans were hanging out oh

1590
01:09:14,529 --> 01:09:12,859
pretty similar so we got to talk about

1591
01:09:17,169 --> 01:09:14,539
the Inca the Inca didn't even last a

1592
01:09:18,849 --> 01:09:17,179
hundred years as an empire did not know

1593
01:09:20,649 --> 01:09:18,859
and the Inca came and they found

1594
01:09:22,749 --> 01:09:20,659
something that was already there and

1595
01:09:24,700 --> 01:09:22,759
this is a pattern that you see a lot

1596
01:09:26,589 --> 01:09:24,710
that you'll have a civilization or

1597
01:09:28,479 --> 01:09:26,599
culture at a sacred site and then they

1598
01:09:30,519 --> 01:09:28,489
get taken over by another say another

1599
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culture and then they usually use the

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01:09:35,079 --> 01:09:33,139
same power places usually same sacred

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01:09:37,419 --> 01:09:35,089
sites they'll break down the stones like

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the medieval Christians they came in and

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01:09:40,539 --> 01:09:38,929
they found this whole megalithic culture

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01:09:42,519 --> 01:09:40,549
and they broke down the tore up the

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01:09:43,569 --> 01:09:42,529
stones broke them up made churches up

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01:09:45,819 --> 01:09:43,579
and put them in the middle of where the

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stone ring was oriented into the same

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01:09:51,220 --> 01:09:47,960
astronomical orientation the stone ring

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was before them same thing the Inca did

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they found at Machu Picchu at a anti

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tombow at pisaq at a bunch of these

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01:10:01,479 --> 01:09:59,329
other sites they found stuff and it was

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01:10:03,399 --> 01:10:01,489
already constructed our key you know

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01:10:05,649 --> 01:10:03,409
architecture and so they just built on

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01:10:07,870 --> 01:10:05,659
top of it that's really really important

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01:10:09,669 --> 01:10:07,880
to understand the Inca are not old and

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the incore actually a very bloody people

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they sacrificed thousands of their own

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children a year and a guy if you haven't

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interviewed and yet called William

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01:10:19,209 --> 01:10:16,190
Sullivan who wrote a book called the

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secret of the Inca myth astronomy in the

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war against time and he explained in

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that book why you find blood sacrifice

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01:10:27,729 --> 01:10:26,059
in all pre-columbian Mesoamerican

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cultures it's really a really

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01:10:31,870 --> 01:10:29,840
fascinating thing but the Inca came

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later they're not old and so if we go

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back to Tiahuanaco which is very very

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old and a guy named Arthur posnansky

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01:10:42,810 --> 01:10:37,249
who's done a whole lot of

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01:10:48,729 --> 01:10:45,989
the site absolutely points to it being

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utilized crafted constructed and

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utilized before 10,500 BC yep fifteen

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thousand years old yeah yeah and I

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actually we're going to take a break

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right here but I mentioned one time to

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Michio Kaku right I bring up all of that

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stuff in Bolivia it goes impossible like

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a why because now man free

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for ice age no he was like move on vex I

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was that because that kind of a turned

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on god that's right more with Martin

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gray right after this short break this

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is fade to black stay with us right here

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hi I'm Lisa Vance you're listening to

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Jimmy church this is revolution the

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revolution will not be televised the

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[Music]

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welcome back fade to black

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I'm your host Jimmy Church follow me on

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Twitter at GH radio our guest tonight

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Martin gray is a photographer sacred

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01:15:54,860 --> 01:15:53,160
architecture art and pilgrimage sites

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01:15:56,120 --> 01:15:54,870
around the world I'm looking at a bunch

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01:15:59,960 --> 01:15:56,130
of his photographs here we're going to

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01:16:03,010 --> 01:15:59,970
start to post some of these up and what

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01:16:06,460 --> 01:16:03,020
I want to do I just went through Martin

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01:16:09,890 --> 01:16:06,470
and you meditate I just went through a

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01:16:14,300 --> 01:16:09,900
pretty strange experience a first time

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01:16:18,020 --> 01:16:14,310
for me actually where we did we had a

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01:16:21,380 --> 01:16:18,030
moment in a sacred circle a medicine

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01:16:24,140 --> 01:16:21,390
wheel up in up in Washington and this

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01:16:27,110 --> 01:16:24,150
was a couple of weeks ago and it was

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01:16:28,940 --> 01:16:27,120
with sound bowls and and I went there

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01:16:31,250 --> 01:16:28,950
okay and how you're just you're just

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01:16:33,920 --> 01:16:31,260
going to laugh okay Jimmy I get it but

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01:16:37,280 --> 01:16:33,930
but for me it was it I just get it and

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01:16:41,330 --> 01:16:37,290
I'm not left right right and I came out

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01:16:43,370 --> 01:16:41,340
of that and I I didn't recognize my

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01:16:46,190 --> 01:16:43,380
surroundings I didn't I didn't know the

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01:16:48,350 --> 01:16:46,200
people I was with like my wife right I

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01:16:50,060 --> 01:16:48,360
didn't reckon it was it was an

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01:16:53,030 --> 01:16:50,070
extraordinary thing to go through and

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01:16:53,840 --> 01:16:53,040
when you go to these sacred sites around

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01:16:56,930 --> 01:16:53,850
the world

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01:17:02,210 --> 01:16:56,940
is there a meditation that you would

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01:17:04,790 --> 01:17:02,220
suggest to our audience - and maybe dumb

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01:17:08,690 --> 01:17:04,800
it is there a basic while you know

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01:17:12,140 --> 01:17:08,700
meditation 101 for someone to do yeah I

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01:17:16,130 --> 01:17:12,150
can talk about that from a long time

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01:17:19,910 --> 01:17:16,140
meditating experience I guess on some 63

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01:17:26,020 --> 01:17:19,920
and I've been meditating since I was 18

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01:17:30,260 --> 01:17:26,030
so 43 45 years of daily practice and

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01:17:33,320 --> 01:17:30,270
meditation it's it's basically it's very

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01:17:36,710 --> 01:17:33,330
very simple meditation is all about

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01:17:39,200 --> 01:17:36,720
becoming present and so in Theravada or

1757
01:17:41,380 --> 01:17:39,210
Hinayana Buddhists Buddhism there's a

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01:17:44,060 --> 01:17:41,390
very simple meditation technique called

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01:17:46,100 --> 01:17:44,070
Vipassana where what you're doing is you

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01:17:47,930 --> 01:17:46,110
utilize what they're walking and they're

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01:17:49,520 --> 01:17:47,940
sitting meditations in people while

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01:17:51,680 --> 01:17:49,530
they're sitting there focusing on their

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01:17:53,570 --> 01:17:51,690
breath the inhalation the exhalation or

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01:17:55,790 --> 01:17:53,580
the sensation is it Those or the

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01:17:58,010 --> 01:17:55,800
walk really slowly and they focus on one

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01:17:59,990 --> 01:17:58,020
particular part of the footstep and what

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01:18:02,150 --> 01:18:00,000
this is doing is its training you to

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01:18:05,870 --> 01:18:02,160
concentrate and it's quieting the mind

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01:18:08,180 --> 01:18:05,880
this is very very valuable at the sacred

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01:18:09,130 --> 01:18:08,190
sites if one does that that's a great

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01:18:12,620 --> 01:18:09,140
idea

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01:18:15,980 --> 01:18:12,630
the best thing to do is just be however

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01:18:18,020 --> 01:18:15,990
just go and be there you don't really

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01:18:19,970 --> 01:18:18,030
have to do anything it's like I tell

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01:18:22,190 --> 01:18:19,980
people people in America are familiar

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01:18:24,320 --> 01:18:22,200
with this celestial seasoning red zinger

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01:18:25,820 --> 01:18:24,330
tea and I say when the water is hot and

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01:18:28,850 --> 01:18:25,830
you put the teabag in it you don't have

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01:18:31,340 --> 01:18:28,860
to tell it to steep in it just happened

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01:18:33,350 --> 01:18:31,350
that the tea steeps into the water and

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01:18:35,000 --> 01:18:33,360
when we go to these sacred sites we

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don't have to do anything and a lot of

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01:18:39,200 --> 01:18:37,320
times the doing of anything gets in a

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01:18:41,120 --> 01:18:39,210
way it puts something between us in the

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01:18:42,530 --> 01:18:41,130
spirit if you were to ask the spirit

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01:18:44,630 --> 01:18:42,540
well what do you want people to do when

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01:18:46,250 --> 01:18:44,640
they're at this place it's nice to some

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01:18:48,890 --> 01:18:46,260
ceremony if it makes you feel good

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01:18:50,720 --> 01:18:48,900
that's fun that's nice it expresses your

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01:18:53,660 --> 01:18:50,730
intention but the most important thing

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01:18:55,790 --> 01:18:53,670
is just be if you can take a nap that's

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01:18:57,830 --> 01:18:55,800
great I take naps and many of these

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01:19:00,650 --> 01:18:57,840
sacred sites because then the conscious

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01:19:02,930 --> 01:19:00,660
mind is turned off and you're more open

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01:19:07,220 --> 01:19:02,940
to both the power of the place the

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01:19:09,080 --> 01:19:07,230
quality of the place you get that you're

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01:19:11,390 --> 01:19:09,090
not you're not in it's the mind isn't in

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the way so just breathe slowly but you

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don't even have to do that if you want

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to do that but just go and be there

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01:19:18,050 --> 01:19:16,200
that's the important thing

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01:19:20,480 --> 01:19:18,060
that's really important people get that

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01:19:22,940 --> 01:19:20,490
I was given and this is a fascinating

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01:19:25,040 --> 01:19:22,950
story I was at a sacred mountain there's

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four sacred mountains of in the

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southwest that are sacred to the Hopi

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01:19:29,450 --> 01:19:28,140
the Navajo and some other people there's

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01:19:31,190 --> 01:19:29,460
a number of different sacred mountains

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01:19:33,230 --> 01:19:31,200
but there's this one set of these four

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and there's one called de Bain itza

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which is a place called Mount Hesperus

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01:19:40,520 --> 01:19:38,490
and in southwestern Colorado it's 13,000

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01:19:42,020 --> 01:19:40,530
325 feet and I'd climbed it one year

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01:19:43,640 --> 01:19:42,030
then I went back a second year in a few

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01:19:45,620 --> 01:19:43,650
years later I came back and I climbed it

1816
01:19:47,930 --> 01:19:45,630
then and on this time I had this

1817
01:19:50,330 --> 01:19:47,940
wonderful experience takes 50 sentences

1818
01:19:53,000 --> 01:19:50,340
to tell it but where I received this

1819
01:19:54,590 --> 01:19:53,010
this breathing technique which is

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01:19:57,080 --> 01:19:54,600
basically there's still the exhalation

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01:19:58,970 --> 01:19:57,090
in the inhalation but during them on the

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01:20:01,720 --> 01:19:58,980
first inhalation as you're breathing in

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01:20:03,800 --> 01:20:01,730
you just imagine or make way for a

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01:20:05,990 --> 01:20:03,810
celestial energy to come in through your

1825
01:20:07,220 --> 01:20:06,000
crown chakra top of your head comes into

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01:20:08,870 --> 01:20:07,230
your heart you add your

1827
01:20:10,910 --> 01:20:08,880
own heart energy to it on the exhalation

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01:20:12,890 --> 01:20:10,920
it's as an expression of gratitude out

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01:20:14,330 --> 01:20:12,900
your root chakra into the earth the

1830
01:20:15,979 --> 01:20:14,340
second breath the energy goes the other

1831
01:20:17,479 --> 01:20:15,989
way it comes terrestrial energy in

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01:20:19,340 --> 01:20:17,489
through your root chakra into your heart

1833
01:20:21,110 --> 01:20:19,350
you had your heart energy to it and the

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01:20:23,450 --> 01:20:21,120
exhalation it's an expression of

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01:20:25,820 --> 01:20:23,460
gratitude to the celestial realm and on

1836
01:20:27,500 --> 01:20:25,830
the third at breath the two energies

1837
01:20:29,120 --> 01:20:27,510
come together at the same time they meet

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01:20:31,760 --> 01:20:29,130
in your heart and then they go out in

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01:20:33,920 --> 01:20:31,770
every direction in a spherical order and

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01:20:35,330 --> 01:20:33,930
then you do the first breath again so

1841
01:20:37,700 --> 01:20:35,340
you do breath one two three one two

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01:20:39,370 --> 01:20:37,710
three one two three and each time on the

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01:20:41,840 --> 01:20:39,380
third breasts are this pulse of this

1844
01:20:43,910 --> 01:20:41,850
love energy that you've added to the

1845
01:20:45,890 --> 01:20:43,920
celestial and the terrestrial energy I

1846
01:20:47,630 --> 01:20:45,900
didn't make this up I'm just on this

1847
01:20:50,240 --> 01:20:47,640
sacred mountain and this thing comes to

1848
01:20:52,250 --> 01:20:50,250
me and it was said to me teach this to

1849
01:20:53,750 --> 01:20:52,260
people and you Martin every time you go

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01:20:55,850 --> 01:20:53,760
to these sacred sites go through four

1851
01:20:57,890 --> 01:20:55,860
cycles of these three breaths so I do

1852
01:20:59,600 --> 01:20:57,900
that and then I just do it a lot of time

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01:21:02,000 --> 01:20:59,610
anyway I just do it a lot so if people

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01:21:03,260 --> 01:21:02,010
want to go to these sites just be if you

1855
01:21:05,330 --> 01:21:03,270
don't want to do this cop not

1856
01:21:06,860 --> 01:21:05,340
complicated meditation I just said you

1857
01:21:08,180 --> 01:21:06,870
don't even after that just slow your

1858
01:21:09,710 --> 01:21:08,190
breathing down just a little bit watch

1859
01:21:12,440 --> 01:21:09,720
your breathing just do something to turn

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01:21:13,850 --> 01:21:12,450
off your head and just be there just be

1861
01:21:15,470 --> 01:21:13,860
there that's all you ought to just be

1862
01:21:17,500 --> 01:21:15,480
there it's just enough just to be there

1863
01:21:20,630 --> 01:21:17,510
yeah that's what happened to me I I

1864
01:21:27,530 --> 01:21:20,640
didn't know what I was doing right and

1865
01:21:30,800 --> 01:21:27,540
so and it just Karen is mine enter a

1866
01:21:34,790 --> 01:21:30,810
beginner's mind that's the best oh man

1867
01:21:37,220 --> 01:21:34,800
and after it was done yeah after I came

1868
01:21:40,280 --> 01:21:37,230
out of it and I opened by I tried to go

1869
01:21:43,760 --> 01:21:40,290
back it's ungodly what I'm here to close

1870
01:21:45,500 --> 01:21:43,770
my eyes and I bent back over and put my

1871
01:21:48,410 --> 01:21:45,510
hands on my knees I was just it was

1872
01:21:50,900 --> 01:21:48,420
overwhelming I said I was like Dorothy

1873
01:21:53,060 --> 01:21:50,910
in The Wizard of Oz right - clicking my

1874
01:21:54,260 --> 01:21:53,070
heels and trying to go back it was

1875
01:21:55,970 --> 01:21:54,270
incredible

1876
01:21:58,100 --> 01:21:55,980
now I want to go through some of these

1877
01:22:00,110 --> 01:21:58,110
photographs they're all incredible we're

1878
01:22:03,370 --> 01:22:00,120
going to get these up in Twitter I want

1879
01:22:08,080 --> 01:22:03,380
to start with a vey very very because

1880
01:22:11,270 --> 01:22:08,090
everybody knows don't hinge but Avery is

1881
01:22:14,120 --> 01:22:11,280
absolutely remarkable this photograph of

1882
01:22:15,979 --> 01:22:14,130
yours is breathtaking the one from the

1883
01:22:18,290 --> 01:22:15,989
airplane are the one for Underground on

1884
01:22:20,209 --> 01:22:18,300
the one on the ground okay yeah

1885
01:22:21,080 --> 01:22:20,219
incredible photograph what's so special

1886
01:22:26,180 --> 01:22:21,090
for

1887
01:22:28,490 --> 01:22:26,190
things I do is again I got sort of

1888
01:22:32,000 --> 01:22:28,500
directed no it was never you have to do

1889
01:22:34,430 --> 01:22:32,010
this it was the suggestion and when I

1890
01:22:36,080 --> 01:22:34,440
got the suggestion at the end of the six

1891
01:22:37,459 --> 01:22:36,090
months I was in Japan on my bicycle

1892
01:22:39,260 --> 01:22:37,469
going to all these sacred mountains

1893
01:22:41,060 --> 01:22:39,270
without really knowing what it meant at

1894
01:22:42,919 --> 01:22:41,070
that point I was just at the beginning

1895
01:22:44,629 --> 01:22:42,929
and my business partner was wanting me

1896
01:22:46,399 --> 01:22:44,639
to come back to Miami and start working

1897
01:22:49,129 --> 01:22:46,409
at the company again I didn't want to do

1898
01:22:51,319 --> 01:22:49,139
it and I'm at this one really important

1899
01:22:52,640 --> 01:22:51,329
Shinto Festival and the next day after

1900
01:22:54,410 --> 01:22:52,650
the festival I'm up on the hill

1901
01:22:55,790 --> 01:22:54,420
overlooking the temple as people are

1902
01:22:57,589 --> 01:22:55,800
coming back in and I'm thinking I'm

1903
01:22:59,660 --> 01:22:57,599
going back to Miami in a week I'm not so

1904
01:23:01,549 --> 01:22:59,670
happy I shut my eyes to meditate and

1905
01:23:03,620 --> 01:23:01,559
again I have one of these visions and

1906
01:23:05,120 --> 01:23:03,630
this time it's indicated to me that if I

1907
01:23:07,129 --> 01:23:05,130
wanted to I could go to these sacred

1908
01:23:07,640 --> 01:23:07,139
sites these power places all over the

1909
01:23:13,069 --> 01:23:07,650
planet

1910
01:23:14,720 --> 01:23:13,079
great that sounds really fun it's more

1911
01:23:16,399 --> 01:23:14,730
fun to ride a bicycle around the earth

1912
01:23:19,189 --> 01:23:16,409
and to work in an air-conditioned office

1913
01:23:22,189 --> 01:23:19,199
in Miami Florida no doubt so I just

1914
01:23:24,589 --> 01:23:22,199
continued I just I just continue to do

1915
01:23:27,830 --> 01:23:24,599
that a very K so I go to all of these

1916
01:23:29,270 --> 01:23:27,840
different places and I do two things I

1917
01:23:30,979 --> 01:23:29,280
have my own experience there and I do

1918
01:23:33,770 --> 01:23:30,989
this planetary acupuncture thing but I

1919
01:23:35,629 --> 01:23:33,780
also gather the photographs or the

1920
01:23:38,629 --> 01:23:35,639
windows of these places and write these

1921
01:23:40,010 --> 01:23:38,639
very concise google loves me you put a

1922
01:23:42,439 --> 01:23:40,020
lot of the names of these sacred sites

1923
01:23:44,660 --> 01:23:42,449
into Google Google search Google Images

1924
01:23:47,029 --> 01:23:44,670
- and I dominate Google Images for

1925
01:23:49,609 --> 01:23:47,039
sacred sites but you look at right put

1926
01:23:51,350 --> 01:23:49,619
in Mecca Mecca the main place main

1927
01:23:53,029 --> 01:23:51,360
Islamic sacred site you put that into

1928
01:23:55,029 --> 01:23:53,039
Google Google images I'm going to be in

1929
01:23:57,529 --> 01:23:55,039
the top five pictures for sure and

1930
01:24:01,760 --> 01:23:57,539
Google is regular Google I'll be in

1931
01:24:04,310 --> 01:24:01,770
there and on the first page so I catalog

1932
01:24:05,959 --> 01:24:04,320
I gather all this information for people

1933
01:24:08,149 --> 01:24:05,969
I give it all for free the website is

1934
01:24:12,049 --> 01:24:08,159
completely for free it's all and it's so

1935
01:24:13,729 --> 01:24:12,059
easy to access for people and in certain

1936
01:24:15,560 --> 01:24:13,739
places are super important and if you

1937
01:24:17,120 --> 01:24:15,570
said in a sense of stone rings we don't

1938
01:24:19,790 --> 01:24:17,130
really call them stone circles because

1939
01:24:22,700 --> 01:24:19,800
98% of them are rings different types of

1940
01:24:25,160 --> 01:24:22,710
ellipses focused on different celestial

1941
01:24:27,979 --> 01:24:25,170
bodies stonehenge is a true circle

1942
01:24:30,169 --> 01:24:27,989
stonehenge in certain senses is not that

1943
01:24:33,080 --> 01:24:30,179
significant not nearly as significant as

1944
01:24:34,520 --> 01:24:33,090
a very 70 miles north Avebury is the

1945
01:24:36,860 --> 01:24:34,530
most important stone

1946
01:24:38,150 --> 01:24:36,870
circle stone it's there's three circles

1947
01:24:40,640 --> 01:24:38,160
there stone ring and the whole

1948
01:24:42,260 --> 01:24:40,650
megalithic area of all of you know

1949
01:24:44,900 --> 01:24:42,270
Ireland Scotland England Spain Portugal

1950
01:24:45,590 --> 01:24:44,910
France all of those a very is so so so

1951
01:24:48,140 --> 01:24:45,600
important

1952
01:24:50,030 --> 01:24:48,150
oh gosh and the stories I have about a

1953
01:24:53,750 --> 01:24:50,040
very I can I can talk about a dreary for

1954
01:24:55,550 --> 01:24:53,760
thirty minutes alone it's incredible and

1955
01:24:59,270 --> 01:24:55,560
this product that you know what's most

1956
01:25:02,360 --> 01:24:59,280
incredible about this a very shot it's

1957
01:25:04,070 --> 01:25:02,370
not the stone circle my friend is who

1958
01:25:06,320 --> 01:25:04,080
lives in that house right in the

1959
01:25:09,650 --> 01:25:06,330
background how would you like to write

1960
01:25:11,450 --> 01:25:09,660
what's so cool about that and what

1961
01:25:13,520 --> 01:25:11,460
that's cool II you brought that up I'm

1962
01:25:15,470 --> 01:25:13,530
opening that picture there was a guy he

1963
01:25:17,270 --> 01:25:15,480
doesn't live there anymore he probably

1964
01:25:19,310 --> 01:25:17,280
has passed away he was a British and he

1965
01:25:23,300 --> 01:25:19,320
was a he was an archaeologist name was

1966
01:25:25,370 --> 01:25:23,310
Brian Ashley and he lived there and he

1967
01:25:27,170 --> 01:25:25,380
was he was an Orthodox archaeologist he

1968
01:25:29,090 --> 01:25:27,180
was working for the National Trust but

1969
01:25:31,370 --> 01:25:29,100
he was kind of he was kind of turned on

1970
01:25:33,380 --> 01:25:31,380
he was kind of open to and when it when

1971
01:25:34,580 --> 01:25:33,390
I I told him what I was doing because

1972
01:25:36,020 --> 01:25:34,590
first of all I photographed that

1973
01:25:37,070 --> 01:25:36,030
photograph right there and then I went

1974
01:25:39,110 --> 01:25:37,080
over to that building cuz there's a

1975
01:25:41,210 --> 01:25:39,120
little town in the middle of it a little

1976
01:25:42,950 --> 01:25:41,220
town number building and I went into the

1977
01:25:45,140 --> 01:25:42,960
shop where he and his wife were and

1978
01:25:46,820 --> 01:25:45,150
we're talking and I tell them what I'm

1979
01:25:48,320 --> 01:25:46,830
doing I tell them I got my bicycle right

1980
01:25:50,720 --> 01:25:48,330
there you're driving riding around

1981
01:25:52,460 --> 01:25:50,730
Europe for a year in 11 countries by

1982
01:25:54,710 --> 01:25:52,470
bicycle going to sacred sites and they

1983
01:25:56,960 --> 01:25:54,720
were amazed by that I was amazed by that

1984
01:25:58,520 --> 01:25:56,970
so I stayed in their house they let me

1985
01:26:02,000 --> 01:25:58,530
have a room and they called it Martens

1986
01:26:03,950 --> 01:26:02,010
nests no yeah in that house I there they

1987
01:26:06,740 --> 01:26:03,960
named it Martin's nest I thought that's

1988
01:26:09,740 --> 01:26:06,750
very cool back you know it very and I

1989
01:26:12,080 --> 01:26:09,750
know stones oh I know the stones they're

1990
01:26:13,610 --> 01:26:12,090
very dig there and those men just happen

1991
01:26:15,680 --> 01:26:13,620
to be walking there was a nice shot the

1992
01:26:18,470 --> 01:26:15,690
way that worked out a great shot now

1993
01:26:21,920 --> 01:26:18,480
let's go to a Banaras really quick this

1994
01:26:23,960 --> 01:26:21,930
the way that this image is a word this

1995
01:26:25,640 --> 01:26:23,970
is uh being put up in Twitter here let

1996
01:26:29,390 --> 01:26:25,650
me back up and make sure that we're

1997
01:26:32,810 --> 01:26:29,400
still in sync here with Twitter with

1998
01:26:36,800 --> 01:26:32,820
Banaras this shot it looks like you

1999
01:26:38,990 --> 01:26:36,810
captured it as it's just a floating you

2000
01:26:40,580 --> 01:26:39,000
know yeah my kidding I did I hope for

2001
01:26:42,740 --> 01:26:40,590
National Geographic a bunch of years ago

2002
01:26:44,800 --> 01:26:42,750
called the geography of religion and

2003
01:26:47,030 --> 01:26:44,810
their chapter on Buddhism and Hinduism

2004
01:26:48,380 --> 01:26:47,040
opened with my pictures in the Hinduism

2005
01:26:50,390 --> 01:26:48,390
chapter opened with that

2006
01:26:52,430 --> 01:26:50,400
sure right there I'm on a little boat in

2007
01:26:54,260 --> 01:26:52,440
an on the Ganges River I got there

2008
01:26:56,030 --> 01:26:54,270
before the Sun came up and the Sun has

2009
01:26:58,460 --> 01:26:56,040
come up and you can see it just touching

2010
01:26:59,240 --> 01:26:58,470
the tops of those buildings absolutely

2011
01:27:02,030 --> 01:26:59,250
incredible

2012
01:27:03,980 --> 01:27:02,040
yeah credible now I first went here this

2013
01:27:05,540 --> 01:27:03,990
is the very first okay you're you're

2014
01:27:07,220 --> 01:27:05,550
looking at that picture that is the very

2015
01:27:09,950 --> 01:27:07,230
first sacred site my mother took me to

2016
01:27:11,870 --> 01:27:09,960
before Kotlin to Nepal we went to Jaipur

2017
01:27:13,970 --> 01:27:11,880
and Agra they're not sacred sites Taj

2018
01:27:17,570 --> 01:27:13,980
Mahal is not a sacred site we went to

2019
01:27:19,430 --> 01:27:17,580
Banaras and I went into this early shiva

2020
01:27:20,960 --> 01:27:19,440
temple there it's what I'm not going to

2021
01:27:22,520 --> 01:27:20,970
go into he said very quick I can't go

2022
01:27:24,800 --> 01:27:22,530
into why this is important as a Jyoti

2023
01:27:26,930 --> 01:27:24,810
Linga but I went into that temple with

2024
01:27:27,320 --> 01:27:26,940
my mother in Banaras when I was 12 years

2025
01:27:30,440 --> 01:27:27,330
old

2026
01:27:32,300 --> 01:27:30,450
in that fat city right there now there's

2027
01:27:34,700 --> 01:27:32,310
something else I wanted to touch upon

2028
01:27:37,370 --> 01:27:34,710
really quick I don't because I'm looking

2029
01:27:40,910 --> 01:27:37,380
at your quickness I know right I know

2030
01:27:43,880 --> 01:27:40,920
I'm looking at a Chichen Itza and the

2031
01:27:46,760 --> 01:27:43,890
the length of time that it took to build

2032
01:27:49,520 --> 01:27:46,770
not only in Mexico City but teaching it

2033
01:27:51,260 --> 01:27:49,530
where it took a hundred hundred fifty

2034
01:27:52,910 --> 01:27:51,270
years to build these pyramids and

2035
01:27:55,550 --> 01:27:52,920
they're trying to say that you know the

2036
01:27:58,370 --> 01:27:55,560
Giza the Great Pyramid was built in

2037
01:28:00,800 --> 01:27:58,380
twenty years and yet these pure you know

2038
01:28:04,100 --> 01:28:00,810
what I mean I I think it's completely

2039
01:28:06,200 --> 01:28:04,110
ridiculous completely cheap now I've got

2040
01:28:10,520 --> 01:28:06,210
a friend of mine that just sent me a

2041
01:28:14,420 --> 01:28:10,530
really cool drone shot of a Chichen Itza

2042
01:28:17,060 --> 01:28:14,430
he was staying right down the street at

2043
01:28:19,340 --> 01:28:17,070
a hotel it's like a quarter-mile away

2044
01:28:21,080 --> 01:28:19,350
yeah you can do that it's cool now it's

2045
01:28:23,030 --> 01:28:21,090
cool part of it part of me doesn't like

2046
01:28:25,280 --> 01:28:23,040
it part of me does well I could explain

2047
01:28:27,050 --> 01:28:25,290
that I'm okay I just finally found the

2048
01:28:30,800 --> 01:28:27,060
chichen itza site now I'm looking at it

2049
01:28:35,840 --> 01:28:30,810
okay okay so he launches his drone from

2050
01:28:38,630 --> 01:28:35,850
the front porch of his hotel hotel rises

2051
01:28:41,240 --> 01:28:38,640
it up and it right right above the trees

2052
01:28:44,030 --> 01:28:41,250
and then boom there it is and he flies

2053
01:28:45,680 --> 01:28:44,040
the drone around it but oh look I wish I

2054
01:28:47,150 --> 01:28:45,690
had one of those drones when I started I

2055
01:28:49,640 --> 01:28:47,160
know I could get a good one now that's

2056
01:28:52,010 --> 01:28:49,650
small but I'm not that's not what I am

2057
01:28:53,750 --> 01:28:52,020
is I up rather people are doing drone

2058
01:28:55,730 --> 01:28:53,760
photography at sacred sites I would I

2059
01:28:57,200 --> 01:28:55,740
what under still photography guy but I

2060
01:28:59,120 --> 01:28:57,210
look at some of those pictures as like

2061
01:29:01,790 --> 01:28:59,130
oh I wish I had one of those magical

2062
01:29:03,350 --> 01:29:01,800
view I know if you can't see it that way

2063
01:29:05,479 --> 01:29:03,360
what's coming out with road photography

2064
01:29:08,419 --> 01:29:05,489
now some of the sacred sites yikes it's

2065
01:29:10,520 --> 01:29:08,429
so beautiful it is and to think that see

2066
01:29:13,549 --> 01:29:10,530
this is the thing about his drone shot

2067
01:29:15,229 --> 01:29:13,559
is you're looking at trees and he you

2068
01:29:16,970 --> 01:29:15,239
know brings it up above the trees and

2069
01:29:18,740 --> 01:29:16,980
there's the pyramid right there now you

2070
01:29:20,990 --> 01:29:18,750
just mentioned something really quick I

2071
01:29:26,419 --> 01:29:21,000
don't want this to get away from me you

2072
01:29:28,069 --> 01:29:26,429
said certain sites are not sacred right

2073
01:29:29,930 --> 01:29:28,079
and you just listed like three or four

2074
01:29:32,030 --> 01:29:29,940
oh yeah we I well yeah yeah the Taj

2075
01:29:34,879 --> 01:29:32,040
Mahal a lot of times monumental

2076
01:29:37,669 --> 01:29:34,889
architecture Taj Mahal was was built as

2077
01:29:41,359 --> 01:29:37,679
a burial a mausoleum for Shah John's

2078
01:29:44,089 --> 01:29:41,369
wife yeah I get that it's not visited by

2079
01:29:48,410 --> 01:29:44,099
the Indians as a sacred site its visited

2080
01:29:51,410 --> 01:29:48,420
by them as the burial of a wife of a you

2081
01:29:53,720 --> 01:29:51,420
know a political guy but it's not wasn't

2082
01:29:55,640 --> 01:29:53,730
built as it was built with great is

2083
01:29:57,140 --> 01:29:55,650
Islam whenever it's on build something

2084
01:29:59,419 --> 01:29:57,150
big they build it with so called sacred

2085
01:30:02,270 --> 01:29:59,429
geometry sacred geometry is just

2086
01:30:03,830 --> 01:30:02,280
geometry it's 2 to 3 3 to 4 4 to 5 just

2087
01:30:05,810 --> 01:30:03,840
geometry you take the word sacred all

2088
01:30:07,069 --> 01:30:05,820
because people get it I see that gets it

2089
01:30:08,419 --> 01:30:07,079
away for a lot of people go sacred

2090
01:30:09,950 --> 01:30:08,429
geometry that like they think it's going

2091
01:30:13,189 --> 01:30:09,960
to be different than geometry there

2092
01:30:16,160 --> 01:30:13,199
isn't any it's just geometry Islamic

2093
01:30:17,600 --> 01:30:16,170
places some of them are built with great

2094
01:30:19,700 --> 01:30:17,610
sacred geometry like the Taj Mahal

2095
01:30:21,109 --> 01:30:19,710
Ionian bother talking about the Taj Mall

2096
01:30:23,720 --> 01:30:21,119
but it's not a pilgrimage site it's not

2097
01:30:26,450 --> 01:30:23,730
a sacred site and what so what makes

2098
01:30:28,010 --> 01:30:26,460
something sacred ok that's a really good

2099
01:30:29,589 --> 01:30:28,020
really really good question so you got

2100
01:30:32,060 --> 01:30:29,599
it it's dependent upon religion

2101
01:30:34,609 --> 01:30:32,070
dependent upon religion and then

2102
01:30:36,319 --> 01:30:34,619
there'll be the heretical and the

2103
01:30:38,450 --> 01:30:36,329
Orthodox in religion you look like an

2104
01:30:41,479 --> 01:30:38,460
Islam Islam's got the Shia and the Sunni

2105
01:30:43,280 --> 01:30:41,489
and they're both same Quran saying

2106
01:30:45,950 --> 01:30:43,290
pretty much the same hadith or both if

2107
01:30:47,750 --> 01:30:45,960
done in certain ways very very strict

2108
01:30:49,160 --> 01:30:47,760
but then you've got the Sufis and you

2109
01:30:52,580 --> 01:30:49,170
can have Shia Sufis or you can have

2110
01:30:55,129 --> 01:30:52,590
Sunni sooo these and other you know this

2111
01:30:56,629 --> 01:30:55,139
more strict especially the men they're

2112
01:30:58,609 --> 01:30:56,639
going to like oh we don't want we don't

2113
01:31:00,260 --> 01:30:58,619
like Sufis like the Wahhabi is the guys

2114
01:31:01,910 --> 01:31:00,270
in Saudi Arabia they're just completely

2115
01:31:03,740 --> 01:31:01,920
against Sufism because you can't

2116
01:31:06,290 --> 01:31:03,750
venerate a saint but Sufi is unlike

2117
01:31:09,290 --> 01:31:06,300
Kanye like Rumi kanya and it's on the

2118
01:31:11,750 --> 01:31:09,300
website it's it cornea and Turkey is

2119
01:31:13,160 --> 01:31:11,760
Rumi the great poet people know Rumi he

2120
01:31:14,629 --> 01:31:13,170
came there and he spent a lot of years

2121
01:31:15,710 --> 01:31:14,639
as a teacher there and then when he died

2122
01:31:18,500 --> 01:31:15,720
they bear

2123
01:31:20,720 --> 01:31:18,510
there is sin Oh Tov Rumi is it cornea my

2124
01:31:23,450 --> 01:31:20,730
pictures of it are so beautiful that one

2125
01:31:24,590 --> 01:31:23,460
and so people go there to be with Rumi

2126
01:31:25,850 --> 01:31:24,600
they came there when he was a teacher

2127
01:31:28,010 --> 01:31:25,860
and then they come there now he's have

2128
01:31:30,440 --> 01:31:28,020
passed away sage and so a lot of people

2129
01:31:32,600 --> 01:31:30,450
going to the side it imparts something

2130
01:31:34,910 --> 01:31:32,610
to it it's like light on photographic

2131
01:31:37,340 --> 01:31:34,920
film for a thousandth of a second and it

2132
01:31:39,080 --> 01:31:37,350
remembers it and the magnetic tape on

2133
01:31:40,820 --> 01:31:39,090
capstan rollers in an old-style tape

2134
01:31:42,770 --> 01:31:40,830
recorder it passes over the roller and

2135
01:31:44,420 --> 01:31:42,780
hears you sing and it remembers it so

2136
01:31:46,670 --> 01:31:44,430
you get a big piece of earth not just

2137
01:31:48,620 --> 01:31:46,680
magnetic tape or photo emulsion you get

2138
01:31:51,710 --> 01:31:48,630
a big piece of Earth like place like Taj

2139
01:31:53,240 --> 01:31:51,720
Mahal in a sense is becoming that

2140
01:31:55,100 --> 01:31:53,250
because people come in just people there

2141
01:31:56,990 --> 01:31:55,110
with concentrated intention but people

2142
01:31:58,250 --> 01:31:57,000
don't go to the Taj Mahal to pray but

2143
01:31:59,450 --> 01:31:58,260
they go - they went to cheats and eats

2144
01:32:01,820 --> 01:31:59,460
they go to a lot of these sacred sites

2145
01:32:03,260 --> 01:32:01,830
to pray and here's what's key Jimmy

2146
01:32:05,510 --> 01:32:03,270
here's what's key about these places

2147
01:32:06,530 --> 01:32:05,520
when people go to them irrespective the

2148
01:32:08,450 --> 01:32:06,540
religion it doesn't matter within

2149
01:32:10,700 --> 01:32:08,460
Hinduism Buddhism Islam Christianity all

2150
01:32:12,170 --> 01:32:10,710
new doesn't matter people are doing two

2151
01:32:14,230 --> 01:32:12,180
things one of two things are both

2152
01:32:16,520 --> 01:32:14,240
they're saying please and thank you

2153
01:32:18,350 --> 01:32:16,530
interesting isn't thank you there's

2154
01:32:18,740 --> 01:32:18,360
prayer and praise that's what's going on

2155
01:32:21,590 --> 01:32:18,750
here

2156
01:32:23,600 --> 01:32:21,600
doesn't matter if it's 5,000 BC Hinduism

2157
01:32:24,920 --> 01:32:23,610
or it's contemporary Christianity

2158
01:32:26,930 --> 01:32:24,930
doesn't matter people are saying thank

2159
01:32:29,330 --> 01:32:26,940
you and please to what they conceived of

2160
01:32:31,520 --> 01:32:29,340
as deity so when we go there we're in

2161
01:32:33,830 --> 01:32:31,530
that field where mill these are the most

2162
01:32:35,330 --> 01:32:33,840
visited places on planet earth human

2163
01:32:37,310 --> 01:32:35,340
beings had come here since the dawn of

2164
01:32:39,020 --> 01:32:37,320
civilization and have done the most

2165
01:32:41,180 --> 01:32:39,030
beautiful thing and that's to express a

2166
01:32:42,950 --> 01:32:41,190
love of the divine now it's the most

2167
01:32:45,740 --> 01:32:42,960
beautiful thing and so when we go there

2168
01:32:47,600 --> 01:32:45,750
we're in those sacred geometry burs

2169
01:32:49,400 --> 01:32:47,610
what's happening at the great pyramid or

2170
01:32:52,220 --> 01:32:49,410
at cheats in Egypt we go there we're

2171
01:32:54,380 --> 01:32:52,230
plugged in there I hope people listening

2172
01:32:57,830 --> 01:32:54,390
to this get that the importance of these

2173
01:32:59,990 --> 01:32:57,840
places for that reason now I'm in an in

2174
01:33:02,480 --> 01:33:00,000
your study of the world's religions and

2175
01:33:05,630 --> 01:33:02,490
these sacred sites do you think that

2176
01:33:09,500 --> 01:33:05,640
there is one common denominator when it

2177
01:33:12,080 --> 01:33:09,510
comes to a deity or a God where it has

2178
01:33:14,660 --> 01:33:12,090
spread through cultures and now it's

2179
01:33:18,200 --> 01:33:14,670
gods of other names but it is there just

2180
01:33:19,730 --> 01:33:18,210
one source yes I think there's one

2181
01:33:24,980 --> 01:33:19,740
source but there's a lot of different

2182
01:33:27,710 --> 01:33:24,990
ways to look at it how intent well it's

2183
01:33:29,570 --> 01:33:27,720
it's like that that story and Buddhism

2184
01:33:32,780 --> 01:33:29,580
and Hinduism one time there's a

2185
01:33:34,280 --> 01:33:32,790
a blind man they want to say they want

2186
01:33:36,110 --> 01:33:34,290
to know what an elephant was like and so

2187
01:33:37,520 --> 01:33:36,120
they went up somebody said well what has

2188
01:33:39,140 --> 01:33:37,530
to be well tell us what's an elephant

2189
01:33:40,430 --> 01:33:39,150
like so the person this story puts them

2190
01:33:41,810 --> 01:33:40,440
in front of an elephant they can't see

2191
01:33:43,490 --> 01:33:41,820
so they all touch different parts of the

2192
01:33:45,890 --> 01:33:43,500
elephant one of them touches his tail

2193
01:33:48,140 --> 01:33:45,900
since I watch like a great snake and one

2194
01:33:50,090 --> 01:33:48,150
touches belly oh it's like a great soft

2195
01:33:52,640 --> 01:33:50,100
bowl and one of it touches its ears as

2196
01:33:54,200 --> 01:33:52,650
oh it's a flappy rug but they all felt

2197
01:33:56,630 --> 01:33:54,210
the same thing but they felt different

2198
01:33:58,460 --> 01:33:56,640
parts of it they interpreted it assess

2199
01:34:01,040 --> 01:33:58,470
it and talked about it in different ways

2200
01:34:03,290 --> 01:34:01,050
same thing with this this this this this

2201
01:34:05,840 --> 01:34:03,300
thing we might call God God being a word

2202
01:34:07,820 --> 01:34:05,850
does that thing that is indefinable and

2203
01:34:09,800 --> 01:34:07,830
so we just use different words to point

2204
01:34:13,490 --> 01:34:09,810
at it point at it but the words aren't

2205
01:34:15,380 --> 01:34:13,500
the thing people that thing is the same

2206
01:34:17,120 --> 01:34:15,390
but people will perceive it through a

2207
01:34:19,760 --> 01:34:17,130
cultural conditioning that has been

2208
01:34:21,410 --> 01:34:19,770
imposed upon them by their upbringing by

2209
01:34:23,780 --> 01:34:21,420
their schooling so they're going to see

2210
01:34:26,210 --> 01:34:23,790
certain things interpret things in

2211
01:34:27,770 --> 01:34:26,220
certain ways yes but the thing itself

2212
01:34:30,950 --> 01:34:27,780
that's being experienced there's a

2213
01:34:34,430 --> 01:34:30,960
oneness so my father-in-law

2214
01:34:37,910 --> 01:34:34,440
Rita's dad last week it's just ironic

2215
01:34:40,370 --> 01:34:37,920
that you sent me this picture of meteora

2216
01:34:43,610 --> 01:34:40,380
so he sits up down right he goes okay

2217
01:34:45,860 --> 01:34:43,620
now Jimmy you need to understand Greeks

2218
01:34:48,590 --> 01:34:45,870
invented everything I swear this comes

2219
01:34:52,370 --> 01:34:48,600
out of his mouth right and you know he's

2220
01:34:56,030 --> 01:34:52,380
80 83 84 years old he goes and and that

2221
01:34:57,530 --> 01:34:56,040
includes meteors I said excuse me and he

2222
01:35:00,200 --> 01:34:57,540
takes me through the whole thing takes

2223
01:35:03,950 --> 01:35:00,210
me it shows me his photographs and he's

2224
01:35:06,290 --> 01:35:03,960
been you know he's been here and and he

2225
01:35:09,290 --> 01:35:06,300
explained to me the definition of meteor

2226
01:35:11,660 --> 01:35:09,300
which means above the earth right and

2227
01:35:15,710 --> 01:35:11,670
and and he shows and then you send me

2228
01:35:18,200 --> 01:35:15,720
this incredible picture of a meteora and

2229
01:35:21,410 --> 01:35:18,210
most people don't know where the word

2230
01:35:25,940 --> 01:35:21,420
came from and it came from here this

2231
01:35:28,520 --> 01:35:25,950
sacred site in in Greece what now did

2232
01:35:31,150 --> 01:35:28,530
you actually were you able to go up

2233
01:35:35,990 --> 01:35:31,160
there or did you shoot just shoot it

2234
01:35:37,970 --> 01:35:36,000
well because I actually on I hadn't

2235
01:35:40,130 --> 01:35:37,980
thought of that in a bit I went to this

2236
01:35:41,840 --> 01:35:40,140
after I didn't mount athos so I was

2237
01:35:42,880 --> 01:35:41,850
already I'd spent at that time maybe

2238
01:35:44,770 --> 01:35:42,890
three weeks the

2239
01:35:47,020 --> 01:35:44,780
time I was in Mount Athos there's 20

2240
01:35:49,540 --> 01:35:47,030
monasteries I'm out stated 17 of them

2241
01:35:51,280 --> 01:35:49,550
but after I think that first one maybe

2242
01:35:53,260 --> 01:35:51,290
was five or six monasteries and so I

2243
01:35:55,780 --> 01:35:53,270
kind of became familiar with a way in

2244
01:35:58,660 --> 01:35:55,790
which you you know knock on the door

2245
01:36:00,340 --> 01:35:58,670
gain entrance inside become a pilgrim be

2246
01:36:02,620 --> 01:36:00,350
become staying there for a while because

2247
01:36:05,320 --> 01:36:02,630
Mount Athos in northeastern Greece you

2248
01:36:06,970 --> 01:36:05,330
can't go to as a tourist this place this

2249
01:36:08,650 --> 01:36:06,980
the monastery Rousseau no I met the

2250
01:36:10,330 --> 01:36:08,660
author you can go there as tourists but

2251
01:36:12,940 --> 01:36:10,340
you can't get inside as the tourists but

2252
01:36:14,170 --> 01:36:12,950
because of what I do and but at this

2253
01:36:15,700 --> 01:36:14,180
point when I was there the first time

2254
01:36:18,190 --> 01:36:15,710
when I took this picture I took this

2255
01:36:20,470 --> 01:36:18,200
picture in 1986 right okay this is

2256
01:36:23,170 --> 01:36:20,480
during my year-long your time in 11

2257
01:36:24,970 --> 01:36:23,180
months in a I mean a year in Europe and

2258
01:36:26,590 --> 01:36:24,980
11 countries by bicycle that's when I

2259
01:36:28,420 --> 01:36:26,600
went here but I went here after Athos

2260
01:36:29,890 --> 01:36:28,430
and so I was able to get inside the

2261
01:36:31,930 --> 01:36:29,900
interesting thing is how I shot that

2262
01:36:33,370 --> 01:36:31,940
picture though it's shot with a 300

2263
01:36:36,970 --> 01:36:33,380
millimeter lens which is six

2264
01:36:38,770 --> 01:36:36,980
magnification but I climbed up one of

2265
01:36:40,390 --> 01:36:38,780
those sort of crevices that you see the

2266
01:36:42,040 --> 01:36:40,400
sort like you see behind it I climbed

2267
01:36:43,660 --> 01:36:42,050
way up one of those and then shot it

2268
01:36:45,400 --> 01:36:43,670
with a three hundred three hundred

2269
01:36:47,200 --> 01:36:45,410
millimeter to get that picture this is

2270
01:36:49,000 --> 01:36:47,210
this this and I like this picture this

2271
01:36:51,130 --> 01:36:49,010
is pretty one yeah and on the other side

2272
01:36:53,980 --> 01:36:51,140
what's really funny that you don't see

2273
01:36:56,500 --> 01:36:53,990
here but on the other side it's just a

2274
01:37:01,270 --> 01:36:56,510
sheer and and that's how they get all of

2275
01:37:03,850 --> 01:37:01,280
the it's by ropes right yeah yeah all of

2276
01:37:05,920 --> 01:37:03,860
them food yeah absolutely incredible I

2277
01:37:09,010 --> 01:37:05,930
said to my dad I turned him I said so

2278
01:37:11,770 --> 01:37:09,020
how did they order a pizza right a nice

2279
01:37:14,230 --> 01:37:11,780
bunny shot me this look I was just a

2280
01:37:16,240 --> 01:37:14,240
joke man it's just a joke but this is

2281
01:37:18,690 --> 01:37:16,250
one of the most incredible sacred sites

2282
01:37:22,000 --> 01:37:18,700
on on the planet meteora greece

2283
01:37:26,230 --> 01:37:22,010
incredible that you were there your shot

2284
01:37:26,710 --> 01:37:26,240
of Mecca oh and oh boy that's a good

2285
01:37:28,390 --> 01:37:26,720
story

2286
01:37:32,380 --> 01:37:28,400
yeah tell me about it that's pretty

2287
01:37:34,450 --> 01:37:32,390
breathtaking right so well I wanted this

2288
01:37:37,920 --> 01:37:34,460
is really interesting you bring that up

2289
01:37:41,080 --> 01:37:37,930
I'm finding that picture right now I

2290
01:37:44,290 --> 01:37:41,090
think I'll see me our image I've seen

2291
01:37:46,930 --> 01:37:44,300
this the one I'm going to it I don't

2292
01:37:49,000 --> 01:37:46,940
want to turn the Skype off I don't know

2293
01:37:50,680 --> 01:37:49,010
if if I pulled up Google Images right

2294
01:37:52,600 --> 01:37:50,690
now but if you go onto Google image it's

2295
01:37:54,940 --> 01:37:52,610
not just Google but Google Images right

2296
01:37:56,709 --> 01:37:54,950
and you put in Mecca that picture is a

2297
01:37:58,959 --> 01:37:56,719
lot of times for years it's been um

2298
01:38:01,150 --> 01:37:58,969
one thing number one always I'm always

2299
01:38:02,979 --> 01:38:01,160
in the top ten yes that one and another

2300
01:38:06,160 --> 01:38:02,989
one of the pictures I took down down

2301
01:38:09,820 --> 01:38:06,170
when I'm inside the building this was so

2302
01:38:11,560 --> 01:38:09,830
I I did Islam in in real detail from you

2303
01:38:13,180 --> 01:38:11,570
know from French West Africa all the way

2304
01:38:15,729 --> 01:38:13,190
over to Indonesia went to a whole bunch

2305
01:38:17,680 --> 01:38:15,739
of the major sacred sites and then I did

2306
01:38:19,750 --> 01:38:17,690
the conversion process to Islam and I

2307
01:38:22,360 --> 01:38:19,760
went up went on the Hajj I went on this

2308
01:38:25,209 --> 01:38:22,370
and that was Scott 25 years ago I bet

2309
01:38:26,920 --> 01:38:25,219
that it 20 years ago I went there and I

2310
01:38:27,580 --> 01:38:26,930
there's 1.1 million people in the

2311
01:38:29,740 --> 01:38:27,590
building

2312
01:38:33,160 --> 01:38:29,750
wait a minute you did the Hajj did you

2313
01:38:35,170 --> 01:38:33,170
actually get to the cube did you did you

2314
01:38:38,590 --> 01:38:35,180
down on it will see that the Hajj in

2315
01:38:40,120 --> 01:38:38,600
being at the Haram al-sharif the main

2316
01:38:42,610 --> 01:38:40,130
mosque your are two different things

2317
01:38:44,140 --> 01:38:42,620
during part of the Hajj is you go

2318
01:38:46,090 --> 01:38:44,150
through that you start and you end at

2319
01:38:49,209 --> 01:38:46,100
this place at the how to merge cities at

2320
01:38:52,150 --> 01:38:49,219
the black cube right but the Hajj itself

2321
01:38:54,729 --> 01:38:52,160
is pre-islamic and Mohammed just took it

2322
01:38:56,709 --> 01:38:54,739
and incorporated into what he started is

2323
01:38:58,120 --> 01:38:56,719
Islam this place this what's really

2324
01:38:59,860 --> 01:38:58,130
interesting that's a big building built

2325
01:39:02,590 --> 01:38:59,870
around it but that Kaaba which just

2326
01:39:04,990 --> 01:39:02,600
means cube he's go on a website you can

2327
01:39:07,660 --> 01:39:05,000
see a much closer picture that was

2328
01:39:09,640 --> 01:39:07,670
already there and there were 360 shrines

2329
01:39:12,070 --> 01:39:09,650
which is you know very close to the

2330
01:39:14,470 --> 01:39:12,080
notion of the solar year so there was it

2331
01:39:17,020 --> 01:39:14,480
there were 360 shrines of different

2332
01:39:18,820 --> 01:39:17,030
deities because where Mecca is how it

2333
01:39:20,709 --> 01:39:18,830
started it was the intersection of two

2334
01:39:22,840 --> 01:39:20,719
trade routes across the Saudi Arabian

2335
01:39:24,790 --> 01:39:22,850
you know the Arabian Peninsula not Saudi

2336
01:39:26,770 --> 01:39:24,800
that's a family of Saud across the

2337
01:39:29,080 --> 01:39:26,780
Arabian Peninsula these two trade routes

2338
01:39:31,750 --> 01:39:29,090
where they intersected is this place

2339
01:39:34,209 --> 01:39:31,760
well then what is probable I'm not sure

2340
01:39:36,280 --> 01:39:34,219
what is probable is this the meteorite

2341
01:39:39,130 --> 01:39:36,290
stone was brought from someplace else

2342
01:39:41,500 --> 01:39:39,140
and was here in it was in what it was

2343
01:39:43,840 --> 01:39:41,510
one of the shrines of the 360 shrines at

2344
01:39:45,520 --> 01:39:43,850
this place and then Mohammed tore loads

2345
01:39:46,870 --> 01:39:45,530
of them down it's all on the website the

2346
01:39:49,030 --> 01:39:46,880
whole history of the tour a bunch of

2347
01:39:50,290 --> 01:39:49,040
them but he specifically didn't tear

2348
01:39:52,150 --> 01:39:50,300
it's interesting didn't tear the ones

2349
01:39:54,010 --> 01:39:52,160
down of Jesus and Mary they were left up

2350
01:39:55,720 --> 01:39:54,020
and Mary is mentioned in the Quran more

2351
01:39:58,930 --> 01:39:55,730
than in a New Testament I think that's

2352
01:40:00,520 --> 01:39:58,940
fascinating so this place then Islam

2353
01:40:02,620 --> 01:40:00,530
built and built and built and built on

2354
01:40:04,450 --> 01:40:02,630
it but it is again we have evidence we

2355
01:40:07,090 --> 01:40:04,460
know for sure this was a pagan sacred

2356
01:40:09,800 --> 01:40:07,100
site prior to the development of Islam

2357
01:40:11,450 --> 01:40:09,810
in this area how did

2358
01:40:14,060 --> 01:40:11,460
I've got to take a break right here you

2359
01:40:17,090 --> 01:40:14,070
can give me the shortest answer possible

2360
01:40:19,850 --> 01:40:17,100
what is it feel like to have this image

2361
01:40:22,400 --> 01:40:19,860
one of the most recognized images of

2362
01:40:26,180 --> 01:40:22,410
Mecca I have looked at this your picture

2363
01:40:27,800 --> 01:40:26,190
a hundred times oh well you know how

2364
01:40:32,540 --> 01:40:27,810
does that make you feel I mean it is a

2365
01:40:35,000 --> 01:40:32,550
remarkable image all the story how I got

2366
01:40:37,370 --> 01:40:35,010
it is great too but yeah it's pretty

2367
01:40:38,930 --> 01:40:37,380
picture I like looking down one it's

2368
01:40:39,560 --> 01:40:38,940
beautiful there's so many of these

2369
01:40:42,080 --> 01:40:39,570
pictures

2370
01:40:44,060 --> 01:40:42,090
yeah I've got some it's basic it's not

2371
01:40:46,040 --> 01:40:44,070
so difficult technical ability to take

2372
01:40:47,780 --> 01:40:46,050
the picture and then like the gifts of

2373
01:40:50,480 --> 01:40:47,790
the gods the gifts of the weather gods

2374
01:40:52,220 --> 01:40:50,490
into the place and the light and that I

2375
01:40:54,080 --> 01:40:52,230
there's no filtration on this that's how

2376
01:40:56,540 --> 01:40:54,090
it looked the Sun had set the lights

2377
01:40:58,700 --> 01:40:56,550
were coming on oh it's so beautiful

2378
01:41:00,530 --> 01:40:58,710
to kronum why I'm the only one up

2379
01:41:02,660 --> 01:41:00,540
there's two guards that the day before I

2380
01:41:04,760 --> 01:41:02,670
was up on one tall building it was like

2381
01:41:06,230 --> 01:41:04,770
okay this is great but I want this next

2382
01:41:07,820 --> 01:41:06,240
one and these two guys said nein no you

2383
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can't do that I said call the Sheik this

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one Sheik who is watching over me taking

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care of things so they called him and he

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said I've kind of tough Martin I said

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please next tomorrow and so he called me

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back by five hours later he says okay

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but CNN in Time magazine couldn't get up

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here

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picture is completely unique it's an

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amazing photograph our guest tonight

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Martin gray this is fade to black

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Martin it's an honor we're going to keep

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this going right after this break stay

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with us everybody

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you want to know a secret

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poor mr. Bush why fade to black because

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[Music]

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01:46:01,100 --> 01:45:55,150
welcome back paid to black our guest

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01:46:04,320 --> 01:46:01,110
tonight photographer pilgrim Martin gray

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01:46:08,040 --> 01:46:04,330
follow me on twitter @ JT ready we are

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01:46:10,560 --> 01:46:08,050
posting some of Martin's favorite pics

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01:46:12,630 --> 01:46:10,570
that you know and we said to March that

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01:46:15,600 --> 01:46:12,640
you know send us with which you would

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01:46:17,370 --> 01:46:15,610
like the world to see and these that

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01:46:20,070 --> 01:46:17,380
this collection Martin is is

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01:46:23,340 --> 01:46:20,080
extraordinary and I'm going to skip

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01:46:26,610 --> 01:46:23,350
ahead and have 500 of that quality by

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01:46:28,260 --> 01:46:26,620
the way 500 it's always hard it I said

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01:46:32,040 --> 01:46:28,270
you know how many you want to read is 10

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01:46:33,900 --> 01:46:32,050
like 10 I was like haha oh gosh that's

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01:46:36,870 --> 01:46:33,910
so hard because the one you don't pick

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01:46:39,810 --> 01:46:36,880
its clamoring it's going with me - right

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01:46:44,850 --> 01:46:39,820
right right honey right right no doubt

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01:46:48,980 --> 01:46:44,860
about it well a Mount Kailash Ville this

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01:46:54,750 --> 01:46:48,990
is this is redonkulous this is an

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01:46:57,420 --> 01:46:54,760
amazing image and now I where where what

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01:46:59,880 --> 01:46:57,430
when and how that's all I have to say

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01:47:01,230 --> 01:46:59,890
this is about as sacred as again tell me

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01:47:03,210 --> 01:47:01,240
about well this is in a certain sense

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01:47:05,330 --> 01:47:03,220
that's true because by virtue of the

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01:47:07,260 --> 01:47:05,340
number of people that have visited it

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01:47:08,970 --> 01:47:07,270
Jerusalem is going to be the most sacred

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01:47:10,530 --> 01:47:08,980
site by virtue of the number of people

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01:47:12,300 --> 01:47:10,540
who have been there but by virtue of the

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01:47:14,550 --> 01:47:12,310
number of people that consider it a

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01:47:16,980 --> 01:47:14,560
sacred place kailasha it's the number

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01:47:19,950 --> 01:47:16,990
one sacred site of Buddhism of Hinduism

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01:47:21,750 --> 01:47:19,960
of Jainism in a bond or bond Pro which

2516
01:47:24,150 --> 01:47:21,760
was the pre Buddhist religion in Tibet

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01:47:26,670 --> 01:47:24,160
but it's super remote now the Chinese

2518
01:47:28,530 --> 01:47:26,680
have finally made a railroad near it but

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01:47:30,240 --> 01:47:28,540
it took me to getting back over here and

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01:47:32,430 --> 01:47:30,250
back and there were no roads in certain

2521
01:47:35,340 --> 01:47:32,440
parts of it that I drove to no roads we

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01:47:38,190 --> 01:47:35,350
would drive for days over this no roads

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01:47:41,010 --> 01:47:38,200
it was so incredible to get to this

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01:47:42,570 --> 01:47:41,020
place and then that truck stopped and

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01:47:45,230 --> 01:47:42,580
then there were some other people in the

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01:47:47,550 --> 01:47:45,240
truck and there's some other actually

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01:47:50,040 --> 01:47:47,560
travelers not pilgrims not tourists

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01:47:52,050 --> 01:47:50,050
travelers and they summer one of us

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01:47:55,230 --> 01:47:52,060
walked to have walked around it for four

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01:47:56,940 --> 01:47:55,240
days I would I decided to do is I was

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01:47:59,310 --> 01:47:56,950
going to do this seed because I'd heard

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01:48:01,200 --> 01:47:59,320
ok these these Tibetan Yogi's they're

2533
01:48:02,610 --> 01:48:01,210
really good they go around it one day so

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01:48:03,870 --> 01:48:02,620
I thought let's see if I could do it and

2535
01:48:05,189 --> 01:48:03,880
so I did it in ten and a half

2536
01:48:07,260 --> 01:48:05,199
I went all the way around the mountain

2537
01:48:08,850 --> 01:48:07,270
I'm at nineteen thousand five hundred

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01:48:10,680 --> 01:48:08,860
feet right now where I'm shooting it

2539
01:48:12,149 --> 01:48:10,690
this is two days before I went around it

2540
01:48:14,189 --> 01:48:12,159
because I walked all the way into the

2541
01:48:16,530 --> 01:48:14,199
base of it which is called the inner

2542
01:48:18,330 --> 01:48:16,540
kora or the inner product Kodama I went

2543
01:48:20,790 --> 01:48:18,340
all the way in and in two days later I

2544
01:48:23,340 --> 01:48:20,800
was rested up and I went all around it

2545
01:48:24,750 --> 01:48:23,350
the whole mountain 12:00 at 12:10 and

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01:48:27,780 --> 01:48:24,760
half to twelve ten eleven to twelve

2547
01:48:30,330 --> 01:48:27,790
hours right in there mount kailash shiva

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01:48:32,370 --> 01:48:30,340
is said to live on top of it and he's up

2549
01:48:34,830 --> 01:48:32,380
there where he copulates with shakti a

2550
01:48:37,620 --> 01:48:34,840
lot and he smokes ganja all the time

2551
01:48:39,540 --> 01:48:37,630
shiva is constantly stoned on top of

2552
01:48:40,890 --> 01:48:39,550
Mount Kailash that's the legend so again

2553
01:48:42,060 --> 01:48:40,900
you could say well shiva doesn't really

2554
01:48:43,500 --> 01:48:42,070
it's cold up there he doesn't really

2555
01:48:46,110 --> 01:48:43,510
live up there what does the legend of

2556
01:48:49,160 --> 01:48:46,120
metaphor up what is it indicating I tell

2557
01:48:51,570 --> 01:48:49,170
the speak to people a lot read the myths

2558
01:48:53,430 --> 01:48:51,580
read the myths and if you read enough

2559
01:48:55,560 --> 01:48:53,440
myth like I do you'll go oh there's

2560
01:48:58,020 --> 01:48:55,570
commonalities and the mister stories

2561
01:49:00,030 --> 01:48:58,030
they're not just fanciful imaginations a

2562
01:49:01,379 --> 01:49:00,040
preliterate people know their stories

2563
01:49:03,000 --> 01:49:01,389
and they tell something if you know the

2564
01:49:05,399 --> 01:49:03,010
key to the myth and the key to the myth

2565
01:49:07,590 --> 01:49:05,409
is what is who is the deity and what are

2566
01:49:11,760 --> 01:49:07,600
they doing where that tells you some

2567
01:49:17,490 --> 01:49:11,770
important stuff now this this shot of

2568
01:49:20,040 --> 01:49:17,500
the potala palace in in in Tibet I feel

2569
01:49:22,740 --> 01:49:20,050
like I've seen this image a thousand

2570
01:49:24,600 --> 01:49:22,750
times well probably not because this is

2571
01:49:27,030 --> 01:49:24,610
a very rare angle this was an illegal

2572
01:49:28,800 --> 01:49:27,040
angle there was a Chinese this is

2573
01:49:31,080 --> 01:49:28,810
beginning of the cha well a Chinese came

2574
01:49:32,610 --> 01:49:31,090
in in 59 but they were already here but

2575
01:49:35,700 --> 01:49:32,620
it wasn't nothing like all the Han

2576
01:49:37,530 --> 01:49:35,710
Chinese there now but I went to a law so

2577
01:49:40,379 --> 01:49:37,540
this is on this time when I'm in Tibet

2578
01:49:41,610 --> 01:49:40,389
about a month and I get to Lhasa and I

2579
01:49:43,530 --> 01:49:41,620
have another nice picture which you

2580
01:49:45,629 --> 01:49:43,540
don't have now there you can go on a

2581
01:49:48,810 --> 01:49:45,639
website and see it from the top of the

2582
01:49:51,120 --> 01:49:48,820
Jo Kang temple this was the residence of

2583
01:49:55,530 --> 01:49:51,130
the Dalai Lama's the hill though is

2584
01:49:57,840 --> 01:49:55,540
called maar Pirrie ma RPO - RI and it's

2585
01:50:00,620 --> 01:49:57,850
said to be the abode of a chan resi of

2586
01:50:03,330 --> 01:50:00,630
this certain deity who is a Tibetan

2587
01:50:06,270 --> 01:50:03,340
depiction of Avalokiteshvara

2588
01:50:08,370 --> 01:50:06,280
are the Bodhisattva of compassion and it

2589
01:50:10,320 --> 01:50:08,380
can be cannon or Quan Yin it can be male

2590
01:50:12,959 --> 01:50:10,330
or female so what this is the legends

2591
01:50:15,149 --> 01:50:12,969
about these sort of places obvious Vata

2592
01:50:17,550 --> 01:50:15,159
is a deity of compassion so what this is

2593
01:50:20,160 --> 01:50:17,560
an indication of its a place it

2594
01:50:23,100 --> 01:50:20,170
a place that has a quality that will

2595
01:50:25,500 --> 01:50:23,110
accentuate that awaken that in human

2596
01:50:27,600 --> 01:50:25,510
visitors so if you want more compassion

2597
01:50:29,490 --> 01:50:27,610
in your heart in your being this is the

2598
01:50:32,400 --> 01:50:29,500
type of place that you want to go to why

2599
01:50:34,350 --> 01:50:32,410
does it have a legend about a deity that

2600
01:50:36,330 --> 01:50:34,360
has that quality because that's how

2601
01:50:38,790 --> 01:50:36,340
people transmit that information over

2602
01:50:40,560 --> 01:50:38,800
thousands of years they tell a story and

2603
01:50:43,110 --> 01:50:40,570
the story gets retold and retold and

2604
01:50:44,670 --> 01:50:43,120
retold about a place and so then people

2605
01:50:46,470 --> 01:50:44,680
just think about the story but they

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01:50:48,630 --> 01:50:46,480
don't understand the deeper meaning or

2607
01:50:51,780 --> 01:50:48,640
implication of it this is a power place

2608
01:50:55,050 --> 01:50:51,790
an empowerment point of the quality of

2609
01:50:59,610 --> 01:50:55,060
compassion in a human heart and do you

2610
01:51:03,450 --> 01:50:59,620
it must be overwhelming the the power

2611
01:51:08,130 --> 01:51:03,460
the the do you feel it from the second

2612
01:51:11,400 --> 01:51:08,140
you set foot there yes and no there are

2613
01:51:13,140 --> 01:51:11,410
some of the places that I I don't it's

2614
01:51:16,260 --> 01:51:13,150
not that I don't resonate with them but

2615
01:51:19,260 --> 01:51:16,270
I I it's not like I yeah that's how to

2616
01:51:21,660 --> 01:51:19,270
put that in it I again I go to some of

2617
01:51:23,820 --> 01:51:21,670
the sites where I myself I could dowse

2618
01:51:25,950 --> 01:51:23,830
them I could say okay there's energy

2619
01:51:28,560 --> 01:51:25,960
here I can I can feel it but they're not

2620
01:51:30,900 --> 01:51:28,570
so resonant for me different people will

2621
01:51:32,850 --> 01:51:30,910
be attracted to different sight but it's

2622
01:51:34,920 --> 01:51:32,860
not something that bowls you over it's

2623
01:51:37,320 --> 01:51:34,930
not something that knocks you over it's

2624
01:51:39,840 --> 01:51:37,330
a subtle I tell people say well what is

2625
01:51:43,140 --> 01:51:39,850
I say it's a non-material region of

2626
01:51:46,350 --> 01:51:43,150
influence extending in space continuing

2627
01:51:49,500 --> 01:51:46,360
in time a non-material region of

2628
01:51:51,540 --> 01:51:49,510
influence extending in space continuing

2629
01:51:53,790 --> 01:51:51,550
in time so when you come into it it's

2630
01:51:55,980 --> 01:51:53,800
very subtle maybe it's one that you

2631
01:51:58,170 --> 01:51:55,990
really relate to you resonate with and

2632
01:51:59,850 --> 01:51:58,180
it can be much stronger for some people

2633
01:52:01,980 --> 01:51:59,860
some of them have been very strong for

2634
01:52:03,630 --> 01:52:01,990
me but because there's different types

2635
01:52:05,310 --> 01:52:03,640
of sites that resonate with different

2636
01:52:07,470 --> 01:52:05,320
types of people at different times in

2637
01:52:10,020 --> 01:52:07,480
their lives it's hard to make a stay

2638
01:52:16,920 --> 01:52:10,030
it's all this or it's all that it's many

2639
01:52:20,160 --> 01:52:16,930
things and the the view that is here in

2640
01:52:22,770 --> 01:52:20,170
love what with one of of Tibet in the

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01:52:24,410 --> 01:52:22,780
background which direction is China from

2642
01:52:26,959 --> 01:52:24,420
this view

2643
01:52:29,300 --> 01:52:26,969
it would be a little China so darn

2644
01:52:31,430 --> 01:52:29,310
digging in the Chinese would go what I

2645
01:52:34,310 --> 01:52:31,440
mean this is China we own it well that's

2646
01:52:36,860 --> 01:52:34,320
where I'm going that matter where you

2647
01:52:38,660 --> 01:52:36,870
are if you basically basically just

2648
01:52:41,870 --> 01:52:38,670
straight looking over looking over the

2649
01:52:43,640 --> 01:52:41,880
the the Potala Palace the red part yeah

2650
01:52:45,320 --> 01:52:43,650
over the mountains just straight that

2651
01:52:48,110 --> 01:52:45,330
would be China up there in a ways and

2652
01:52:49,939 --> 01:52:48,120
right now we're into the right - yeah

2653
01:52:53,419 --> 01:52:49,949
it's starting to heat up there

2654
01:52:56,150 --> 01:52:53,429
once again oh yeah it's a problem was

2655
01:52:58,370 --> 01:52:56,160
what was it like there when was the last

2656
01:53:00,110 --> 01:52:58,380
time you were there only been there one

2657
01:53:04,700 --> 01:53:00,120
time and that I could look it up I bet

2658
01:53:08,510 --> 01:53:04,710
just 94 95 it's 2004 20 years was there

2659
01:53:09,169 --> 01:53:08,520
the was the pressure there when you were

2660
01:53:11,810 --> 01:53:09,179
there

2661
01:53:14,540 --> 01:53:11,820
it was certainly beginning it was

2662
01:53:16,640 --> 01:53:14,550
definitely there they always said I know

2663
01:53:19,640 --> 01:53:16,650
all right now it's now it's just over

2664
01:53:23,150 --> 01:53:19,650
the top and then the sad thing is about

2665
01:53:25,820 --> 01:53:23,160
it is it's once you do what has been

2666
01:53:28,400 --> 01:53:25,830
done by the Chinese there and I know a

2667
01:53:30,919 --> 01:53:28,410
whole I really study you have we haven't

2668
01:53:32,209 --> 01:53:30,929
even begun to to dwell on Walmart you

2669
01:53:34,780 --> 01:53:32,219
also have this other study of

2670
01:53:36,830 --> 01:53:34,790
contemporary issues and social political

2671
01:53:38,300 --> 01:53:36,840
economic and environmental I know a

2672
01:53:39,740 --> 01:53:38,310
great deal what's happening on the

2673
01:53:41,630 --> 01:53:39,750
planet and what some of what the Chinese

2674
01:53:44,689 --> 01:53:41,640
is doing is great and some of it is

2675
01:53:47,630 --> 01:53:44,699
really not great at all in all of its it

2676
01:53:48,770 --> 01:53:47,640
can be explained but it's really sad

2677
01:53:51,260 --> 01:53:48,780
what's happened here with the Han

2678
01:53:53,180 --> 01:53:51,270
Chinese moving in it's really sad it's

2679
01:53:54,650 --> 01:53:53,190
really really really sad and it's not

2680
01:53:57,500 --> 01:53:54,660
something that you can just oh go away

2681
01:54:01,400 --> 01:53:57,510
and stop them coming though it's an area

2682
01:54:03,560 --> 01:54:01,410
it's an uncompleted why do you think

2683
01:54:05,600 --> 01:54:03,570
that I know why do you think the Chinese

2684
01:54:09,709 --> 01:54:05,610
are putting up this fight like they are

2685
01:54:11,390 --> 01:54:09,719
with Tibet I mean I I don't well its

2686
01:54:13,580 --> 01:54:11,400
territory and it's access to mineral

2687
01:54:16,370 --> 01:54:13,590
resources well that's what it is isn't

2688
01:54:18,800 --> 01:54:16,380
it yeah it's not a historical thing it's

2689
01:54:20,030 --> 01:54:18,810
not a religious thing it's not a town in

2690
01:54:21,800 --> 01:54:20,040
a certain sense it's the good the

2691
01:54:24,110 --> 01:54:21,810
Chinese came in there because Tibetan

2692
01:54:27,140 --> 01:54:24,120
Buddhism is not Buddhism it's lama ism

2693
01:54:29,360 --> 01:54:27,150
song stand gampo came in 742 and in

2694
01:54:31,610 --> 01:54:29,370
padma sambar became later and both of

2695
01:54:33,709 --> 01:54:31,620
them especially songs tune gampo they

2696
01:54:35,419 --> 01:54:33,719
there was a huge oppression of the local

2697
01:54:37,490 --> 01:54:35,429
people there were a lot of the bond PO

2698
01:54:38,270 --> 01:54:37,500
priests were killed their sacred sites

2699
01:54:40,880 --> 01:54:38,280
were taken

2700
01:54:43,610 --> 01:54:40,890
Marco RIA was already a sacred site the

2701
01:54:46,160 --> 01:54:43,620
Tibetans took the the the Tibetans that

2702
01:54:48,650 --> 01:54:46,170
came in they in the Indians in a Chinese

2703
01:54:50,570 --> 01:54:48,660
that they took over this site and the

2704
01:54:53,240 --> 01:54:50,580
religion it was there before was bond

2705
01:54:55,730 --> 01:54:53,250
and it bond was good with women and good

2706
01:54:57,530 --> 01:54:55,740
with land land you look at what Tibetan

2707
01:54:59,720 --> 01:54:57,540
Buddhism is it's really hard on women

2708
01:55:01,910 --> 01:54:59,730
really an in Tibet you know you got your

2709
01:55:03,650 --> 01:55:01,920
Tibetan Buddhism and Boulder they don't

2710
01:55:04,970 --> 01:55:03,660
even know what it is I a lot of times

2711
01:55:07,370 --> 01:55:04,980
people say they're Buddhists like a what

2712
01:55:08,600 --> 01:55:07,380
sector they go well I'm on the Tibetan I

2713
01:55:10,520 --> 01:55:08,610
go they don't even know what they're

2714
01:55:12,170 --> 01:55:10,530
talking about even a lot of times the

2715
01:55:13,280 --> 01:55:12,180
Tibetan Buddhist who think they know

2716
01:55:14,930 --> 01:55:13,290
what they're talking about it good you

2717
01:55:16,550 --> 01:55:14,940
know your pre Buddhist history in that

2718
01:55:18,680 --> 01:55:16,560
region they don't know it well if you

2719
01:55:21,350 --> 01:55:18,690
know it you go all well man it's kind of

2720
01:55:22,730 --> 01:55:21,360
sad that the Tibetans can't the the

2721
01:55:24,830 --> 01:55:22,740
Buddhism came there it started

2722
01:55:26,840 --> 01:55:24,840
oppressing the women and and turned into

2723
01:55:29,450 --> 01:55:26,850
a feudal aristocracy with it as a

2724
01:55:30,980 --> 01:55:29,460
theology as a theocracy and it's really

2725
01:55:32,750 --> 01:55:30,990
sad what happened you know and the

2726
01:55:34,520 --> 01:55:32,760
Chinese came and they stopped at all so

2727
01:55:37,370 --> 01:55:34,530
that's in a sense good and since I don't

2728
01:55:39,470 --> 01:55:37,380
want it Free Tibet Free Tibet go back to

2729
01:55:40,760 --> 01:55:39,480
what it was is bad for women bad for the

2730
01:55:42,770 --> 01:55:40,770
land if you don't know that you don't

2731
01:55:44,300 --> 01:55:42,780
know your history so the Chinese they're

2732
01:55:47,200 --> 01:55:44,310
doing something that I don't like of

2733
01:55:51,320 --> 01:55:47,210
another sort both of them are not ideal

2734
01:55:52,790 --> 01:55:51,330
now this image of the pyramid of the

2735
01:55:55,130 --> 01:55:52,800
magician I'm going to get those posted

2736
01:55:58,340 --> 01:55:55,140
up here right now this is about as

2737
01:56:01,760 --> 01:55:58,350
breathtaking as a ghetto i don't know

2738
01:56:03,410 --> 01:56:01,770
how open i can be on this radio can i go

2739
01:56:06,560 --> 01:56:03,420
out there a little yeah you can go out

2740
01:56:08,030 --> 01:56:06,570
there okay so his little story here so i

2741
01:56:11,000 --> 01:56:08,040
was at this place

2742
01:56:14,870 --> 01:56:11,010
about three weeks before i took that

2743
01:56:16,850 --> 01:56:14,880
picture and another sacred site near it

2744
01:56:21,250 --> 01:56:16,860
called lava in this area there's lava

2745
01:56:23,600 --> 01:56:21,260
edzna and soil and so i was at both and

2746
01:56:24,800 --> 01:56:23,610
when i was climbing out you don't have

2747
01:56:26,570 --> 01:56:24,810
the picture there but when I was at

2748
01:56:27,800 --> 01:56:26,580
lobna I was climbing up to photograph a

2749
01:56:30,230 --> 01:56:27,810
certain part and I had to go on this

2750
01:56:32,330 --> 01:56:30,240
unreconstructed mound of rocks which is

2751
01:56:34,580 --> 01:56:32,340
probably some sub pyramid and as I'm

2752
01:56:36,920 --> 01:56:34,590
going up but I see this sort of hole in

2753
01:56:38,480 --> 01:56:36,930
the rocks over to my right and something

2754
01:56:41,060 --> 01:56:38,490
inside me says don't go in there just

2755
01:56:43,760 --> 01:56:41,070
fit go don't go in there and so I'd one

2756
01:56:46,070 --> 01:56:43,770
time before had a experience it at a

2757
01:56:47,540 --> 01:56:46,080
power place on the top of Haleakala or

2758
01:56:50,180 --> 01:56:47,550
near the top of Haleakala where the

2759
01:56:51,560 --> 01:56:50,190
energy was non resonant with me or too

2760
01:56:52,220 --> 01:56:51,570
strong or something I wasn't ready for

2761
01:56:53,600 --> 01:56:52,230
it so this

2762
01:56:55,820 --> 01:56:53,610
was like that sort of thing so I didn't

2763
01:56:57,260 --> 01:56:55,830
go in it I got my picture and I left and

2764
01:56:58,729 --> 01:56:57,270
then I went to Luke's model and I did

2765
01:57:02,000 --> 01:56:58,739
whatever I didn't take this picture then

2766
01:57:04,190 --> 01:57:02,010
like like two weeks later I have this

2767
01:57:07,610 --> 01:57:04,200
this instruction this suggestion okay go

2768
01:57:09,200 --> 01:57:07,620
back to lobna and go in that hole so I

2769
01:57:10,729 --> 01:57:09,210
went back to lobna and I went into that

2770
01:57:14,630 --> 01:57:10,739
hole that I thought let's crank up the

2771
01:57:16,729 --> 01:57:14,640
energy so I took five hits of LSD and I

2772
01:57:18,920 --> 01:57:16,739
stripped naked and I went into that dark

2773
01:57:24,740 --> 01:57:18,930
hole and I spent five hours in that hole

2774
01:57:28,400 --> 01:57:24,750
at lobna naked on LSD no way two times I

2775
01:57:30,020 --> 01:57:28,410
was shown the void and I was looking

2776
01:57:32,000 --> 01:57:30,030
into the void going into the void and in

2777
01:57:34,040 --> 01:57:32,010
two times the fear became as his to

2778
01:57:36,470 --> 01:57:34,050
ditch too dark too dark I can't take

2779
01:57:38,600 --> 01:57:36,480
this and I went out and in the third

2780
01:57:40,190 --> 01:57:38,610
time it happened okay I'm like on LSD

2781
01:57:42,260 --> 01:57:40,200
for four or five hours I haven't seen

2782
01:57:45,770 --> 01:57:42,270
any light whatsoever I'm completely in

2783
01:57:48,110 --> 01:57:45,780
this dark long down anymore man man man

2784
01:57:49,520 --> 01:57:48,120
this the third time finally when people

2785
01:57:51,530 --> 01:57:49,530
tell me they oh I took a Tony Robbins

2786
01:57:53,000 --> 01:57:51,540
course I walked on the coals

2787
01:57:55,040 --> 01:57:53,010
I did the Rope course and I've

2788
01:57:57,200 --> 01:57:55,050
encountered grace here you don't even

2789
01:57:59,390 --> 01:57:57,210
you can't even spell the word right

2790
01:58:01,910 --> 01:57:59,400
right right so then the third time

2791
01:58:04,100 --> 01:58:01,920
finally I let go and I went into the

2792
01:58:06,170 --> 01:58:04,110
void I went into the darkness that's a

2793
01:58:09,410 --> 01:58:06,180
big story what happened but then after I

2794
01:58:12,740 --> 01:58:09,420
came out then I got on my bicycle and I

2795
01:58:14,330 --> 01:58:12,750
rode to this place to mall and I came

2796
01:58:15,860 --> 01:58:14,340
around you can see it on the right where

2797
01:58:18,080 --> 01:58:15,870
there's that tree on the right I walked

2798
01:58:19,729 --> 01:58:18,090
around there and then I walked to kind

2799
01:58:21,620 --> 01:58:19,739
of between the pyramid and where I am

2800
01:58:23,570 --> 01:58:21,630
kind of this other building and I look

2801
01:58:24,890 --> 01:58:23,580
up at the sky and I learn my gosh I got

2802
01:58:27,620 --> 01:58:24,900
to get this well I'm still way out on

2803
01:58:29,870 --> 01:58:27,630
the LSD but I took this my twin camera

2804
01:58:32,120 --> 01:58:29,880
off my backpack and I put on a 15

2805
01:58:33,620 --> 01:58:32,130
millimeter lens and anyway I had to get

2806
01:58:35,330 --> 01:58:33,630
this picture I climbed up the outside of

2807
01:58:38,510 --> 01:58:35,340
this wall of this one building highly

2808
01:58:40,280 --> 01:58:38,520
illegal highly illegal highly illegal

2809
01:58:41,660 --> 01:58:40,290
and then I'm pinned to the wall and I

2810
01:58:43,670 --> 01:58:41,670
can't turn around there's I'm just on

2811
01:58:45,380 --> 01:58:43,680
the side of this wall so I hold the

2812
01:58:46,790 --> 01:58:45,390
camera with the lens I've climbed up

2813
01:58:48,380 --> 01:58:46,800
with a camera hung off my neck and the

2814
01:58:50,240 --> 01:58:48,390
camera on my back because I'm climbing

2815
01:58:52,100 --> 01:58:50,250
up this wall with my chest to the wall

2816
01:58:54,200 --> 01:58:52,110
and I can't even turn around so I take

2817
01:58:55,970 --> 01:58:54,210
the camera with my hand from behind my

2818
01:58:57,710 --> 01:58:55,980
back and I'm holding on the wall and I

2819
01:58:59,270 --> 01:58:57,720
kind of turned my head a little bit and

2820
01:59:01,010 --> 01:58:59,280
I kind of aim at thinking that I'll get

2821
01:59:03,020 --> 01:59:01,020
it and I shot one picture and then I

2822
01:59:04,490 --> 01:59:03,030
came down because it's still I didn't

2823
01:59:05,750 --> 01:59:04,500
get the picture back for I don't know

2824
01:59:06,110 --> 01:59:05,760
how what I'm they need two and a half

2825
01:59:08,210 --> 01:59:06,120
dream

2826
01:59:10,820 --> 01:59:08,220
I didn't see the picture no wait wait

2827
01:59:12,830 --> 01:59:10,830
wait wait wait wait wait wait wait let's

2828
01:59:17,030 --> 01:59:12,840
pump the brakes on this truck here yes

2829
01:59:19,250 --> 01:59:17,040
okay you're saying that this image that

2830
01:59:23,000 --> 01:59:19,260
I'm looking at of the Pyramid of the

2831
01:59:26,900 --> 01:59:23,010
music a magician in a new small you

2832
01:59:27,860 --> 01:59:26,910
climbed a wall high on five hits of acid

2833
01:59:30,590 --> 01:59:27,870
yeah

2834
01:59:33,920 --> 01:59:30,600
turned around snapped one picture on

2835
01:59:36,050 --> 01:59:33,930
film and then left and that's the image

2836
01:59:37,310 --> 01:59:36,060
we are looking at here yeah and I didn't

2837
01:59:38,930 --> 01:59:37,320
get to see it because in digital you can

2838
01:59:40,460 --> 01:59:38,940
look at the back of the screen oh yeah I

2839
01:59:42,140 --> 01:59:40,470
like that look at that aw it's great

2840
01:59:45,050 --> 01:59:42,150
when are you shooting film there's no

2841
01:59:48,530 --> 01:59:45,060
digital Beck I shot this picture in 87

2842
01:59:51,260 --> 01:59:48,540
and 8087 maybe do you know what animagic

2843
01:59:52,850 --> 01:59:51,270
is in this picture well it's it's

2844
01:59:55,370 --> 01:59:52,860
fitting you just called the temple of

2845
01:59:56,930 --> 01:59:55,380
the magician right and so we got to

2846
01:59:59,360 --> 01:59:56,940
understand well what's the legend in the

2847
02:00:01,490 --> 01:59:59,370
legend I have it on my website wide why

2848
02:00:02,960 --> 02:00:01,500
is it called bad this this is a magic

2849
02:00:04,730 --> 02:00:02,970
play and if you really here's a

2850
02:00:07,310 --> 02:00:04,740
fascinating one and these are two

2851
02:00:09,530 --> 02:00:07,320
Orthodox archeology David Frye Dell and

2852
02:00:11,450 --> 02:00:09,540
Linda Seeley she's passed away they were

2853
02:00:13,460 --> 02:00:11,460
they were Orthodox archeologists both

2854
02:00:15,140 --> 02:00:13,470
college professors of mine archaeology

2855
02:00:17,060 --> 02:00:15,150
and they did a lot of studies in this

2856
02:00:18,590 --> 02:00:17,070
and I'm it's quoted on my website the

2857
02:00:19,820 --> 02:00:18,600
paragraphs in their books while they're

2858
02:00:23,680 --> 02:00:19,830
talking about it and they say if you

2859
02:00:26,980 --> 02:00:23,690
look at the layout of the Mayan sites

2860
02:00:29,390 --> 02:00:26,990
relative to one another on the land of

2861
02:00:31,780 --> 02:00:29,400
Yucatan Guatemala Honduras you look at

2862
02:00:34,970 --> 02:00:31,790
their layout of them their star maps

2863
02:00:37,280 --> 02:00:34,980
their place in position it's this we

2864
02:00:39,800 --> 02:00:37,290
call sacred geography not geometry but

2865
02:00:41,240 --> 02:00:39,810
geography right there and in my web and

2866
02:00:43,430 --> 02:00:41,250
my web site in the book I talk about

2867
02:00:45,020 --> 02:00:43,440
different types of sacred geographies

2868
02:00:47,930 --> 02:00:45,030
well one of them is a lot of times the

2869
02:00:50,300 --> 02:00:47,940
depiction of the heavens on the earth

2870
02:00:52,640 --> 02:00:50,310
like Graham Hancock spoke heavens mirror

2871
02:00:54,650 --> 02:00:52,650
is a really good exposition of this you

2872
02:00:56,810 --> 02:00:54,660
know people look at the Stars and then

2873
02:00:58,490 --> 02:00:56,820
they at a particular time and this is

2874
02:01:00,350 --> 02:00:58,500
basically what archaeal astronomy is

2875
02:01:02,150 --> 02:01:00,360
about archaeal astronomy is about okay

2876
02:01:04,460 --> 02:01:02,160
what's the latitude and longitude here

2877
02:01:06,290 --> 02:01:04,470
and then if we look at the sites the

2878
02:01:08,240 --> 02:01:06,300
layout of the sites on the land or the

2879
02:01:09,560 --> 02:01:08,250
structures at particular site and we

2880
02:01:11,900 --> 02:01:09,570
look at them and you can feed if there's

2881
02:01:13,970 --> 02:01:11,910
even a program a software program called

2882
02:01:15,650 --> 02:01:13,980
sky globe and you can feed something

2883
02:01:18,530 --> 02:01:15,660
into it and put the latitude and

2884
02:01:19,880 --> 02:01:18,540
longitude and say well when did the the

2885
02:01:22,010 --> 02:01:19,890
heavens above

2886
02:01:24,260 --> 02:01:22,020
I cannot I had it back it up being right

2887
02:01:26,840 --> 02:01:24,270
yeah and it'll tell you a date right so

2888
02:01:28,850 --> 02:01:26,850
sacred geography and then the sacred

2889
02:01:32,230 --> 02:01:28,860
geometry that this place is built within

2890
02:01:36,290 --> 02:01:32,240
the site oak small is magnificent

2891
02:01:38,170 --> 02:01:36,300
I'm the other thing about that now tell

2892
02:01:40,550 --> 02:01:38,180
me and then we're going to move on but

2893
02:01:42,170 --> 02:01:40,560
now that I know the story behind this

2894
02:01:45,230 --> 02:01:42,180
pic now I've got a hundred questions

2895
02:01:47,180 --> 02:01:45,240
right okay so did you climb the stairs

2896
02:01:49,220 --> 02:01:47,190
did you go into the door yeah yeah now

2897
02:01:51,020 --> 02:01:49,230
you can't because somebody fell down a

2898
02:01:52,880 --> 02:01:51,030
couple of them in Mexico and so they

2899
02:01:55,100 --> 02:01:52,890
made the climbing oven and this is a

2900
02:01:57,650 --> 02:01:55,110
particular set of steep set of stairs

2901
02:02:00,560 --> 02:01:57,660
but yeah yeah you you can go up I spent

2902
02:02:02,780 --> 02:02:00,570
the night in there oh man now you can't

2903
02:02:05,320 --> 02:02:02,790
do that stuff unless you're like me

2904
02:02:09,380 --> 02:02:05,330
extremely good at sneaking into things

2905
02:02:11,540 --> 02:02:09,390
you are the guy to go on a tour with no

2906
02:02:15,130 --> 02:02:11,550
doubt there's huh yeah people get here a

2907
02:02:18,800 --> 02:02:15,140
lot of interesting stuff now let's go to

2908
02:02:20,630 --> 02:02:18,810
the stones of Stenness in scotland again

2909
02:02:23,990 --> 02:02:20,640
another you know that's another great

2910
02:02:25,820 --> 02:02:24,000
story let's hear that story I do okay

2911
02:02:29,750 --> 02:02:25,830
let me go to that picture because I was

2912
02:02:33,770 --> 02:02:29,760
on my bicycle and this is on a little

2913
02:02:35,690 --> 02:02:33,780
island than the Orkneys which is between

2914
02:02:38,540 --> 02:02:35,700
the Shetlands in northeastern Scotland

2915
02:02:39,740 --> 02:02:38,550
so I get there and you know I'm on my

2916
02:02:42,320 --> 02:02:39,750
bicycle so I'm in this place called

2917
02:02:44,000 --> 02:02:42,330
strong way and I get there at night in

2918
02:02:46,100 --> 02:02:44,010
the afternoon I get off the ferry and

2919
02:02:48,500 --> 02:02:46,110
the next morning I get on my bicycle and

2920
02:02:50,240 --> 02:02:48,510
I ride before the Sun has come up I ride

2921
02:02:53,300 --> 02:02:50,250
it's about an hour and a half ride and

2922
02:02:55,400 --> 02:02:53,310
it's very cold and it's snowing and I

2923
02:02:57,440 --> 02:02:55,410
ride to this stone ring and there's a

2924
02:02:58,130 --> 02:02:57,450
sheep in the middle of stone ring Wow

2925
02:03:00,320 --> 02:02:58,140
great

2926
02:03:02,450 --> 02:03:00,330
so I go up close in to take the picture

2927
02:03:04,820 --> 02:03:02,460
and they run away oh I know shucks I

2928
02:03:07,310 --> 02:03:04,830
blew the shot so I'll come back to the

2929
02:03:08,780 --> 02:03:07,320
mark tomorrow which means early in the

2930
02:03:10,250 --> 02:03:08,790
morning again the whole thing well then

2931
02:03:11,360 --> 02:03:10,260
I came back the next day and you can see

2932
02:03:12,680 --> 02:03:11,370
the sheep are standing up and they're

2933
02:03:13,520 --> 02:03:12,690
looking at me there's no fences here

2934
02:03:15,410 --> 02:03:13,530
keeping them there

2935
02:03:16,670 --> 02:03:15,420
no fence the sheep are sleeping there

2936
02:03:18,710 --> 02:03:16,680
because they sense something they like

2937
02:03:20,150 --> 02:03:18,720
it there what is it that thing that I've

2938
02:03:21,290 --> 02:03:20,160
been trying to explain that I can't

2939
02:03:23,300 --> 02:03:21,300
because there's no word for it this

2940
02:03:24,440 --> 02:03:23,310
energy so you see they're looking at me

2941
02:03:25,910 --> 02:03:24,450
going on is he going to come over here

2942
02:03:28,130 --> 02:03:25,920
do we have to leave so I shot this

2943
02:03:29,840 --> 02:03:28,140
picture with a 300 millimeter lens six

2944
02:03:32,900 --> 02:03:29,850
magnification then I walked into the

2945
02:03:33,620 --> 02:03:32,910
stone ring sheep leave then I leave I

2946
02:03:34,879 --> 02:03:33,630
walk around

2947
02:03:37,939 --> 02:03:34,889
there's a place called the ring a broke

2948
02:03:39,680 --> 02:03:37,949
dar nearby I go and walk photograph it

2949
02:03:40,879 --> 02:03:39,690
walk around and I come back and wow the

2950
02:03:43,700 --> 02:03:40,889
sheep are back in the middle of the

2951
02:03:45,080 --> 02:03:43,710
circle accent oh then I walked in there

2952
02:03:46,729 --> 02:03:45,090
again and a sheep left and in that

2953
02:03:49,100 --> 02:03:46,739
afternoon I came in and they were again

2954
02:03:51,830 --> 02:03:49,110
there why they don't have words to say

2955
02:03:53,570 --> 02:03:51,840
it their brain isn't in the way or their

2956
02:03:55,729 --> 02:03:53,580
mind or they didn't go to school they

2957
02:03:59,030 --> 02:03:55,739
didn't get their degree in something oh

2958
02:04:00,979 --> 02:03:59,040
I'm a PhD on an engineer oh I'm a doctor

2959
02:04:03,410 --> 02:04:00,989
Oh a lot of those things sometimes can

2960
02:04:05,000 --> 02:04:03,420
let you see something deeper understand

2961
02:04:07,250 --> 02:04:05,010
more but a lot of times they're they're

2962
02:04:09,200 --> 02:04:07,260
they're filters they get in a way it's

2963
02:04:10,910 --> 02:04:09,210
best like the wisdom of the babes as

2964
02:04:12,830 --> 02:04:10,920
they say well here's the wisdom you know

2965
02:04:15,350 --> 02:04:12,840
what I often say we human beings have

2966
02:04:17,270 --> 02:04:15,360
such hubris we go around naming giving

2967
02:04:19,669 --> 02:04:17,280
latin names to different species and we

2968
02:04:21,979 --> 02:04:19,679
call ourselves Homo sapiens it means

2969
02:04:24,470 --> 02:04:21,989
wise being that's what we call ourselves

2970
02:04:27,200 --> 02:04:24,480
but look what we're doing in Syria wise

2971
02:04:28,430 --> 02:04:27,210
beings but we these are sheep these are

2972
02:04:30,290 --> 02:04:28,440
the wise beings they have a longer

2973
02:04:32,120 --> 02:04:30,300
evolutionary pedigree than we have

2974
02:04:33,649 --> 02:04:32,130
they've been here longer the animals we

2975
02:04:35,840 --> 02:04:33,659
human beings were just animals without

2976
02:04:37,129 --> 02:04:35,850
quite as much fur and we make weapons

2977
02:04:40,040 --> 02:04:37,139
and we kill each other where is this

2978
02:04:41,780 --> 02:04:40,050
wise beingness right is there people if

2979
02:04:45,649 --> 02:04:41,790
people say I want a guru I go your dog

2980
02:04:48,020 --> 02:04:45,659
your cat that's your guru you know you

2981
02:04:49,729 --> 02:04:48,030
know who the Guru is is the sheet that's

2982
02:04:52,250 --> 02:04:49,739
standing in the middle of the group

2983
02:04:57,860 --> 02:04:52,260
looking right down the barrel of your

2984
02:05:00,979 --> 02:04:57,870
lens the head dude is cool that is an

2985
02:05:04,340 --> 02:05:00,989
incredible absolutely incredible picture

2986
02:05:07,370 --> 02:05:04,350
so they which they're grouped - that's

2987
02:05:09,590 --> 02:05:07,380
the other thing there's nobody that ill

2988
02:05:11,629 --> 02:05:09,600
outlier yeah there's no stragglers here

2989
02:05:14,780 --> 02:05:11,639
they're all right there just enjoying

2990
02:05:17,180 --> 02:05:14,790
the moment wow that's an incredible

2991
02:05:19,160 --> 02:05:17,190
picture just absolutely incredible okay

2992
02:05:20,510 --> 02:05:19,170
let's see I'm going to have to keep you

2993
02:05:22,399 --> 02:05:20,520
for a little over time here we're going

2994
02:05:24,800 --> 02:05:22,409
to do in maybe an extra 5-10 minutes

2995
02:05:26,510 --> 02:05:24,810
after this next break temple of Harrah

2996
02:05:29,209 --> 02:05:26,520
in Italy

2997
02:05:31,729 --> 02:05:29,219
I'll see now that's so fantastic a lot

2998
02:05:34,250 --> 02:05:31,739
of times I hear the legends about these

2999
02:05:36,919 --> 02:05:34,260
places I read the stuff before about it

3000
02:05:38,810 --> 02:05:36,929
before I go looking for where is her I

3001
02:05:40,669 --> 02:05:38,820
don't know if I find her what because we

3002
02:05:42,229 --> 02:05:40,679
know that much time okay so the legend

3003
02:05:44,180 --> 02:05:42,239
about this place temple of Harrah hair

3004
02:05:46,679 --> 02:05:44,190
is the goddess of creativity this is a

3005
02:05:51,290 --> 02:05:46,689
Greek temple but it's in western Italy

3006
02:05:54,359 --> 02:05:51,300
near Naples south of Naples okay iisten

3007
02:05:56,699 --> 02:05:54,369
so the legend is that well hair is a

3008
02:05:58,529 --> 02:05:56,709
goddess of fertility well you'll find in

3009
02:06:00,509 --> 02:05:58,539
some sites on a planet there's also this

3010
02:06:03,569 --> 02:06:00,519
place called Cerne Abbas in England

3011
02:06:05,429 --> 02:06:03,579
where people will go in if the woman has

3012
02:06:07,199 --> 02:06:05,439
trouble conceiving of a child they go

3013
02:06:09,209 --> 02:06:07,209
and they make love here in the confines

3014
02:06:10,799 --> 02:06:09,219
of the temple because there's a belief

3015
02:06:13,109 --> 02:06:10,809
that the goddess and again the goddess

3016
02:06:15,750 --> 02:06:13,119
just an indication of the yin energy the

3017
02:06:17,909 --> 02:06:15,760
the feminine energy at the site that at

3018
02:06:19,919 --> 02:06:17,919
that particular place somehow somehow

3019
02:06:21,299 --> 02:06:19,929
that energy for some people some of the

3020
02:06:22,649 --> 02:06:21,309
times not everybody just because it

3021
02:06:24,299 --> 02:06:22,659
doesn't happen to everybody doesn't mean

3022
02:06:26,699 --> 02:06:24,309
it doesn't happen to some right and it

3023
02:06:29,429 --> 02:06:26,709
has somehow a capacity to bring

3024
02:06:30,870 --> 02:06:29,439
fertility to women or ease child make

3025
02:06:33,120 --> 02:06:30,880
that the person will then it their

3026
02:06:36,330 --> 02:06:33,130
childbirth will be eased or it imbues

3027
02:06:38,520 --> 02:06:36,340
this child with some magic so I went

3028
02:06:40,020 --> 02:06:38,530
there thinking I sold his legend

3029
02:06:41,850 --> 02:06:40,030
nobody's believed this stuff because

3030
02:06:43,259 --> 02:06:41,860
this is the beginning I'm in in 1986

3031
02:06:44,939 --> 02:06:43,269
this is just at the beginning my studies

3032
02:06:46,500 --> 02:06:44,949
I don't know what I'm doing yet I'm

3033
02:06:48,419 --> 02:06:46,510
still getting information I haven't

3034
02:06:50,159 --> 02:06:48,429
really even begun to read now I've read

3035
02:06:51,779 --> 02:06:50,169
over 2,000 books on this subject I

3036
02:06:54,089 --> 02:06:51,789
really know it but back then I didn't I

3037
02:06:56,129 --> 02:06:54,099
get there in my gosh there's people

3038
02:06:58,350 --> 02:06:56,139
making love within the temple at night

3039
02:06:59,729 --> 02:06:58,360
it's an archaeology site and you're not

3040
02:07:01,140 --> 02:06:59,739
allowed to be in there at night I guess

3041
02:07:02,399 --> 02:07:01,150
other people snuck in or they get over

3042
02:07:03,779 --> 02:07:02,409
the fence while I'm in there because I

3043
02:07:05,759 --> 02:07:03,789
spent the night at the site on with my

3044
02:07:07,500 --> 02:07:05,769
bicycle but there were two couples in

3045
02:07:09,239 --> 02:07:07,510
the middle of the temple of that

3046
02:07:11,310 --> 02:07:09,249
particular temple right there making

3047
02:07:14,640 --> 02:07:11,320
love at night I saw it did you get

3048
02:07:19,199 --> 02:07:14,650
picture no I'm just messing with you

3049
02:07:21,000 --> 02:07:19,209
I know yeah this is again the way that

3050
02:07:24,929 --> 02:07:21,010
the clouds are the way the church is

3051
02:07:26,399 --> 02:07:24,939
framed it's just magic man yeah yeah you

3052
02:07:31,109 --> 02:07:26,409
know I like that one myself

3053
02:07:33,479 --> 02:07:31,119
yeah pretty incredible now when we come

3054
02:07:35,759 --> 02:07:33,489
back there's a couple of other shots

3055
02:07:37,949 --> 02:07:35,769
here Mount Ararat is incredible in the

3056
02:07:40,529 --> 02:07:37,959
story behind Ararat yeah that was on the

3057
02:07:42,270 --> 02:07:40,539
front of my soft back version of sacred

3058
02:07:44,429 --> 02:07:42,280
earth that Barnes Noble did a few years

3059
02:07:47,100 --> 02:07:44,439
ago on the saw you can still they're out

3060
02:07:49,620 --> 02:07:47,110
of print but you can get on Amazon knew

3061
02:07:52,500 --> 02:07:49,630
in great condition on Amazon you can get

3062
02:07:55,020 --> 02:07:52,510
these books now for like $8 buy them

3063
02:07:56,609 --> 02:07:55,030
they're fantastic be a thick photography

3064
02:07:58,649 --> 02:07:56,619
book is the biggest selling photography

3065
02:07:59,919 --> 02:07:58,659
book and I think 2004 in the United

3066
02:08:01,899 --> 02:07:59,929
States they did it in

3067
02:08:03,580 --> 02:08:01,909
five languages it is in two editions

3068
02:08:05,859 --> 02:08:03,590
this book was beautiful you could still

3069
02:08:09,040 --> 02:08:05,869
get them on Amazon so do you think

3070
02:08:10,839 --> 02:08:09,050
Noah's Ark is onna Ararat oh that's a

3071
02:08:12,399 --> 02:08:10,849
really interesting story to talk about

3072
02:08:17,669 --> 02:08:12,409
okay well we'll do that after the break

3073
02:08:25,449 --> 02:08:19,000
yes

3074
02:08:28,149 --> 02:08:25,459
unpack the legend though I got to

3075
02:08:31,439 --> 02:08:28,159
explain the ledge okay well yes we'll do

3076
02:08:35,169 --> 02:08:31,449
that after the break and this is for me

3077
02:08:38,140 --> 02:08:35,179
and I try to push this as much as I can

3078
02:08:41,949 --> 02:08:38,150
with our audience when it comes to

3079
02:08:43,299 --> 02:08:41,959
Turkey and Armenia Armenia by the way

3080
02:08:45,069 --> 02:08:43,309
when I'm taking the picture I'm in

3081
02:08:49,149 --> 02:08:45,079
Armenia that's okay

3082
02:08:51,819 --> 02:08:49,159
and I try most most when I say most I'm

3083
02:08:55,089 --> 02:08:51,829
talking about the entire planet they

3084
02:08:58,750 --> 02:08:55,099
assume that Turkey today modern-day

3085
02:09:02,709 --> 02:08:58,760
Turkey is part of the ancient history it

3086
02:09:06,100 --> 02:09:02,719
is not Armenia and the Armenian Highland

3087
02:09:10,029 --> 02:09:06,110
which is now Turkey today that is the

3088
02:09:12,640 --> 02:09:10,039
true history and an air at falls into

3089
02:09:14,919 --> 02:09:12,650
modern day and what is going on there

3090
02:09:18,669 --> 02:09:14,929
now much like Tibet there's a lot of

3091
02:09:21,100 --> 02:09:18,679
bickering about lovers yeah yeah it

3092
02:09:22,750 --> 02:09:21,110
totally is and we'll talk about Olli

3093
02:09:24,819 --> 02:09:22,760
I cannot wait to hear what you have to

3094
02:09:26,439 --> 02:09:24,829
say about this so we'll do that when we

3095
02:09:28,719 --> 02:09:26,449
come back our guest tonight

3096
02:09:31,359 --> 02:09:28,729
Martin great Martin thank you for doing

3097
02:09:32,229 --> 02:09:31,369
a little overtime I I knew that we would

3098
02:09:34,419 --> 02:09:32,239
do this tonight

3099
02:09:38,379 --> 02:09:34,429
there's eight or ten hours yeah I know

3100
02:09:39,009 --> 02:09:38,389
you can well we'll try right after this

3101
02:09:40,750 --> 02:09:39,019
short break

3102
02:09:42,100 --> 02:09:40,760
this is fade to black I'm Yours Jimmy

3103
02:09:44,620 --> 02:09:42,110
Church you want to see all of these

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3107
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3177
02:14:08,050 --> 02:14:05,859
welcome back fade to black dude in a

3178
02:14:12,330 --> 02:14:08,060
little over time with photographer

3179
02:14:14,680 --> 02:14:12,340
Martin gray researcher historian pilgrim

3180
02:14:17,350 --> 02:14:14,690
I've just posted up this picture of

3181
02:14:21,040 --> 02:14:17,360
Mount Ararat which is absolutely

3182
02:14:24,910 --> 02:14:21,050
breathtaking and okay I'm ready Martin

3183
02:14:28,229 --> 02:14:24,920
what is the what did you call it the the

3184
02:14:31,089 --> 02:14:28,239
legend the the story behind Noah's Ark

3185
02:14:33,760 --> 02:14:31,099
okay well the important thing is to

3186
02:14:37,330 --> 02:14:33,770
first all understand that there were a

3187
02:14:39,280 --> 02:14:37,340
number of events that happened in

3188
02:14:41,649 --> 02:14:39,290
antiquity and really really ancient

3189
02:14:47,740 --> 02:14:41,659
antiquity that found their way into myth

3190
02:14:50,410 --> 02:14:47,750
and in 9600 BC and in 74 60 BC two

3191
02:14:52,390 --> 02:14:50,420
really important things happened 9600 BC

3192
02:14:56,020 --> 02:14:52,400
whatever it caused the crustal

3193
02:14:58,540 --> 02:14:56,030
displacement and then in 74 60 there

3194
02:15:00,550 --> 02:14:58,550
were seven cometary impacts there was an

3195
02:15:03,490 --> 02:15:00,560
object that came into the solar system

3196
02:15:04,870 --> 02:15:03,500
and then probably it got well I don't

3197
02:15:06,189 --> 02:15:04,880
even want to say what happened before it

3198
02:15:08,229 --> 02:15:06,199
got the earth but that when it came into

3199
02:15:10,750 --> 02:15:08,239
the atmosphere had broke into seven

3200
02:15:12,550 --> 02:15:10,760
pieces those seven pieces fell into the

3201
02:15:14,379 --> 02:15:12,560
ocean all the meadow ssin location

3202
02:15:16,660 --> 02:15:14,389
landings and what they did is they

3203
02:15:19,089 --> 02:15:16,670
generated waves and there's been some

3204
02:15:20,950 --> 02:15:19,099
calculations done that due to the angle

3205
02:15:22,720 --> 02:15:20,960
that the object came in the size the

3206
02:15:24,609 --> 02:15:22,730
mass the depth of the water there that

3207
02:15:27,250 --> 02:15:24,619
what it would do it would set up waves

3208
02:15:30,550 --> 02:15:27,260
and some of the waves could be a mile to

3209
02:15:34,120 --> 02:15:30,560
two miles high going over 400 miles per

3210
02:15:37,060 --> 02:15:34,130
hour in going two to 300 miles inland

3211
02:15:39,220 --> 02:15:37,070
mmm so if this happened because of

3212
02:15:41,770 --> 02:15:39,230
people you get living along coastlines

3213
02:15:44,229 --> 02:15:41,780
for access to fish stocks which is rich

3214
02:15:46,149 --> 02:15:44,239
nutrient it's actually easier to get

3215
02:15:48,189 --> 02:15:46,159
food from the sea if you can fish it

3216
02:15:50,830 --> 02:15:48,199
than growing it so people have always

3217
02:15:52,839 --> 02:15:50,840
lived along coastlines well all seven to

3218
02:15:55,209 --> 02:15:52,849
these objects they hit into the ocean

3219
02:15:57,370 --> 02:15:55,219
and they caused these massive tsunamis

3220
02:15:58,930 --> 02:15:57,380
exceeding anything that happened in the

3221
02:16:01,689 --> 02:15:58,940
Indonesian tsunami those are just little

3222
02:16:04,419 --> 02:16:01,699
blowing on the water nothing what would

3223
02:16:06,100 --> 02:16:04,429
happened of these huge waves the only

3224
02:16:08,379 --> 02:16:06,110
people that would have survived were the

3225
02:16:10,810 --> 02:16:08,389
people who were either high up or far

3226
02:16:13,810 --> 02:16:10,820
inland and certainly if you're high up

3227
02:16:17,200 --> 02:16:13,820
and far inland civilization would not

3228
02:16:19,960 --> 02:16:17,210
have been destroyed well way back then

3229
02:16:21,820 --> 02:16:19,970
even if there was no people living here

3230
02:16:23,680 --> 02:16:21,830
it would there were temples up here that

3231
02:16:25,420 --> 02:16:23,690
people were living on the ground you

3232
02:16:27,220 --> 02:16:25,430
know our lower altitudes but the waves

3233
02:16:28,870 --> 02:16:27,230
were to wash them way would identity

3234
02:16:32,530 --> 02:16:28,880
decimated people everybody would have

3235
02:16:34,890 --> 02:16:32,540
died but some of their temples up high

3236
02:16:38,410 --> 02:16:34,900
in the mountains wouldn't have been lost

3237
02:16:41,500 --> 02:16:38,420
so what we within the notion of a Noah's

3238
02:16:43,090 --> 02:16:41,510
Ark up here if there was a wooden craft

3239
02:16:46,510 --> 02:16:43,100
but would a wooden the craft even in

3240
02:16:49,330 --> 02:16:46,520
9600 BC that's a long time for wood to

3241
02:16:51,640 --> 02:16:49,340
have stayed but the markings of where a

3242
02:16:53,950 --> 02:16:51,650
craft a ship could have been so there

3243
02:16:55,360 --> 02:16:53,960
has been something found up here I don't

3244
02:16:56,919 --> 02:16:55,370
know exactly where it is there's been

3245
02:16:59,260 --> 02:16:56,929
something found up here that people

3246
02:17:02,350 --> 02:16:59,270
surmise they say oh it really looks like

3247
02:17:04,300 --> 02:17:02,360
the wooden sides of a ship it makes

3248
02:17:07,630 --> 02:17:04,310
sense that that would be the case so

3249
02:17:08,890 --> 02:17:07,640
then you got a unpack Noah's Ark legend

3250
02:17:11,730 --> 02:17:08,900
a little bit more and that's there's a

3251
02:17:14,320 --> 02:17:11,740
lot that can be said about that that is

3252
02:17:15,669 --> 02:17:14,330
that is is not particularly what I'm

3253
02:17:17,110 --> 02:17:15,679
saying about just the fact that there

3254
02:17:19,990 --> 02:17:17,120
could be something up here I'm talking

3255
02:17:22,300 --> 02:17:20,000
about the the ancient legend that

3256
02:17:24,040 --> 02:17:22,310
developed the whole list the the notion

3257
02:17:26,230 --> 02:17:24,050
of flood myths they're all over the

3258
02:17:28,510 --> 02:17:26,240
world for even you know there were four

3259
02:17:32,530 --> 02:17:28,520
commentaries to pass wise and two

3260
02:17:34,870 --> 02:17:32,540
cometary impacts between 31:13 and 1198

3261
02:17:36,910 --> 02:17:34,880
BC just in the year the Mediterranean

3262
02:17:39,760 --> 02:17:36,920
area so we have a lot of different

3263
02:17:42,070 --> 02:17:39,770
celestial II caused floods in cometary

3264
02:17:45,220 --> 02:17:42,080
impacts that it's the case but what I'm

3265
02:17:46,840 --> 02:17:45,230
talking about is 9600 BC in 74 60 there

3266
02:17:49,090 --> 02:17:46,850
were events that would have impacted on

3267
02:17:51,490 --> 02:17:49,100
this area and out of those could have

3268
02:17:54,100 --> 02:17:51,500
come some of those flood myths of which

3269
02:17:55,510 --> 02:17:54,110
Noah's Ark is one I can go into much

3270
02:17:58,419 --> 02:17:55,520
more detail but we don't have the time

3271
02:18:02,560 --> 02:17:58,429
here now in the lake if that makes sense

3272
02:18:05,410 --> 02:18:02,570
absolutely and speaking of this in the

3273
02:18:06,880 --> 02:18:05,420
lake in front of on the Armenian side of

3274
02:18:09,850 --> 02:18:06,890
Mount Ararat it's one of the oldest

3275
02:18:12,130 --> 02:18:09,860
monasteries on planet Earth is is right

3276
02:18:15,760 --> 02:18:12,140
there what is in the foreground of this

3277
02:18:18,940 --> 02:18:15,770
shot that's a monastery called core K

3278
02:18:24,610 --> 02:18:18,950
hor V dot V IR AP and it's Armenian

3279
02:18:27,490 --> 02:18:24,620
Christianity I don't know of any if

3280
02:18:29,830 --> 02:18:27,500
there's any evidence of a pre-christian

3281
02:18:30,940 --> 02:18:29,840
use of that particular hillock there

3282
02:18:33,160 --> 02:18:30,950
that the court of

3283
02:18:36,459 --> 02:18:33,170
up monastery is on I don't know of that

3284
02:18:39,250 --> 02:18:36,469
there are some stories about this there

3285
02:18:40,390 --> 02:18:39,260
some of our on the website about this

3286
02:18:45,700 --> 02:18:40,400
particular monastery the monastery

3287
02:18:48,910 --> 02:18:45,710
itself is beautiful it's not super super

3288
02:18:50,530 --> 02:18:48,920
significant it's just it fit nicely in

3289
02:18:52,390 --> 02:18:50,540
the photograph and it's nice little

3290
02:18:54,130 --> 02:18:52,400
monastery the church is very nice you go

3291
02:18:56,740 --> 02:18:54,140
in that church but the church in the

3292
02:18:58,600 --> 02:18:56,750
monastery are not 100 the significance

3293
02:19:00,580 --> 02:18:58,610
of the mountain the mountain is like

3294
02:19:02,890 --> 02:19:00,590
well it's extremely important that

3295
02:19:05,080 --> 02:19:02,900
mountain yeah it's a that is the Mount

3296
02:19:07,000 --> 02:19:05,090
Kailash of Christianity and Judaism

3297
02:19:08,500 --> 02:19:07,010
absolutely absolutely that's what that

3298
02:19:10,720 --> 02:19:08,510
is that's the Mount Kailash of

3299
02:19:13,090 --> 02:19:10,730
Christianity and Judaism as a sacred

3300
02:19:15,910 --> 02:19:13,100
mountain this is as sacred as you get

3301
02:19:20,020 --> 02:19:15,920
why do you and and you've been to

3302
02:19:22,840 --> 02:19:20,030
Armenia enough the why is it and I ask a

3303
02:19:25,600 --> 02:19:22,850
lot of researchers the same question why

3304
02:19:29,890 --> 02:19:25,610
is it that Armenia isn't spoken about

3305
02:19:32,500 --> 02:19:29,900
the same as as as Egypt and Sumer and

3306
02:19:34,510 --> 02:19:32,510
and what Greece and Rome for that matter

3307
02:19:36,070 --> 02:19:34,520
oh well they're all at different time

3308
02:19:37,450 --> 02:19:36,080
periods Greece and Rome are going to be

3309
02:19:39,130 --> 02:19:37,460
Greece will be talked about because it

3310
02:19:41,380 --> 02:19:39,140
was so sophisticated in a sense its

3311
02:19:45,070 --> 02:19:41,390
philosophy at at architecture Rome just

3312
02:19:47,709 --> 02:19:45,080
because it was so big Sumer is because

3313
02:19:49,930 --> 02:19:47,719
it's so old Mesopotamia Sumer same area

3314
02:19:52,120 --> 02:19:49,940
so old Egypt so old in such grand

3315
02:19:54,730 --> 02:19:52,130
architecture Armenia didn't have such

3316
02:19:57,881 --> 02:19:54,740
patient wise didn't have such great

3317
02:19:59,680 --> 02:19:57,891
architecture ancient wise in army

3318
02:20:01,091 --> 02:19:59,690
Armenia you can't really speak of

3319
02:20:03,640 --> 02:20:01,101
Armenia you and you can talk about

3320
02:20:05,650 --> 02:20:03,650
Armenia you know up to a thousand BC but

3321
02:20:08,140 --> 02:20:05,660
a thousand BC is not old especially in

3322
02:20:09,940 --> 02:20:08,150
this areas are it's not old at all but

3323
02:20:11,830 --> 02:20:09,950
then none of this stuff is Christian

3324
02:20:14,230 --> 02:20:11,840
stuff there a second century AD that's

3325
02:20:16,060 --> 02:20:14,240
not old at all so if you go way back in

3326
02:20:18,131 --> 02:20:16,070
Armenia then we don't have we can't say

3327
02:20:20,200 --> 02:20:18,141
much way way back we can't say much

3328
02:20:23,290 --> 02:20:20,210
about what was happening on the lands

3329
02:20:25,540 --> 02:20:23,300
there but the myth that's why I'm really

3330
02:20:28,690 --> 02:20:25,550
interested in paleo the old mythology

3331
02:20:31,180 --> 02:20:28,700
paleo mythology we don't have much paleo

3332
02:20:33,850 --> 02:20:31,190
archeology about Armenia that's really

3333
02:20:37,631 --> 02:20:33,860
really old it's just we don't but the

3334
02:20:39,460 --> 02:20:37,641
myths we do or they have kara huge yep

3335
02:20:41,171 --> 02:20:39,470
that's true that's true that's true

3336
02:20:44,440 --> 02:20:41,181
that's true that's all that's a trick

3337
02:20:46,870 --> 02:20:44,450
that's old 7,000 BC

3338
02:20:48,341 --> 02:20:46,880
that's true that's true yeah well that's

3339
02:20:50,080 --> 02:20:48,351
back to the era that I'm talking about

3340
02:20:51,730 --> 02:20:50,090
that the Christian stuff is not very old

3341
02:20:53,560 --> 02:20:51,740
in the Islamic stuff here not very old

3342
02:20:55,270 --> 02:20:53,570
they're all that's real recent carahunge

3343
02:20:57,580 --> 02:20:55,280
this is very old that's what I'm talking

3344
02:21:01,870 --> 02:20:57,590
about yeah yeah no doubt now you're shot

3345
02:21:05,470 --> 02:21:01,880
here of the Parthenon uh-hmm okay when

3346
02:21:09,040 --> 02:21:05,480
did you take this um that was when I

3347
02:21:11,110 --> 02:21:09,050
first thought was when I first got to

3348
02:21:13,720 --> 02:21:11,120
Europe on that journey because I done

3349
02:21:17,230 --> 02:21:13,730
the Japan thing that I'd done Mexico had

3350
02:21:19,570 --> 02:21:17,240
my first big robbery all my cameras yeah

3351
02:21:21,400 --> 02:21:19,580
two cameras and eight lenses got stolen

3352
02:21:24,430 --> 02:21:21,410
at knifepoint that was interesting in

3353
02:21:26,910 --> 02:21:24,440
Mexico and so then I had my travel I

3354
02:21:29,200 --> 02:21:26,920
still owned the travel agency so I got

3355
02:21:31,570 --> 02:21:29,210
Olympic Airways they gave me free

3356
02:21:33,520 --> 02:21:31,580
tickets so I flew over to Greece and I

3357
02:21:37,480 --> 02:21:33,530
was in Athens and even before I rode the

3358
02:21:39,430 --> 02:21:37,490
bicycle over to Delfy and then went all

3359
02:21:41,261 --> 02:21:39,440
over the Greek islands there was when I

3360
02:21:43,091 --> 02:21:41,271
was in Kyoto Japan a few months before

3361
02:21:45,250 --> 02:21:43,101
this French photographer who's still now

3362
02:21:48,551 --> 02:21:45,260
a friend of mine I just saw him in a

3363
02:21:49,900 --> 02:21:48,561
Kyoto a year and a half ago he told me

3364
02:21:52,480 --> 02:21:49,910
this certain technique and so I

3365
02:21:54,761 --> 02:21:52,490
photographs the Carthon with the moon

3366
02:21:58,421 --> 02:21:54,771
that way and that this was this was like

3367
02:22:00,341 --> 02:21:58,431
April in 1986 and at that place that's

3368
02:22:02,080 --> 02:22:00,351
really interesting if you again reading

3369
02:22:04,930 --> 02:22:02,090
the myth the myth is on the website but

3370
02:22:06,640 --> 02:22:04,940
Athena Athena is a goddess of certain

3371
02:22:08,470 --> 02:22:06,650
qualities you know if you look at all

3372
02:22:10,030 --> 02:22:08,480
these different Greek gods and goddesses

3373
02:22:13,330 --> 02:22:10,040
you can say well what are they a god or

3374
02:22:15,730 --> 02:22:13,340
goddess of that's the quality of the

3375
02:22:17,801 --> 02:22:15,740
place that's the thing that the place

3376
02:22:21,850 --> 02:22:17,811
will accentuate or empower in the

3377
02:22:24,011 --> 02:22:21,860
visitor there's not one how did you

3378
02:22:27,460 --> 02:22:24,021
manage to take this without another

3379
02:22:28,870 --> 02:22:27,470
person being in this photograph oh I do

3380
02:22:30,460 --> 02:22:28,880
that a lot I just wait

3381
02:22:32,171 --> 02:22:30,470
you know the tourists walk around or the

3382
02:22:34,120 --> 02:22:32,181
pilgrims walk around and then sometimes

3383
02:22:35,560 --> 02:22:34,130
I'm kind of wishing go move move move

3384
02:22:37,780 --> 02:22:35,570
get out of the picture and then when

3385
02:22:39,220 --> 02:22:37,790
they do and it was near to closing

3386
02:22:40,660 --> 02:22:39,230
because I'd let that I wanted the shadow

3387
02:22:42,520 --> 02:22:40,670
to come right up to the base of the

3388
02:22:45,421 --> 02:22:42,530
Parthenon so it was like there was a

3389
02:22:47,650 --> 02:22:45,431
light ray a light beam on the Parthenon

3390
02:22:50,140 --> 02:22:47,660
this place is very dear to me I've been

3391
02:22:52,870 --> 02:22:50,150
to Athens I went there you see this when

3392
02:22:54,730 --> 02:22:52,880
we left India when I was 16 we came back

3393
02:22:56,530 --> 02:22:54,740
and we went to the Great Pyramid my

3394
02:22:58,270 --> 02:22:56,540
parents my father my mother my sister I

3395
02:22:59,740 --> 02:22:58,280
we went we went to Cairo

3396
02:23:03,251 --> 02:22:59,750
and we went to Rome and we went to

3397
02:23:04,690 --> 02:23:03,261
Athens on our way back and so I got to

3398
02:23:06,810 --> 02:23:04,700
go to the Parthenon the first time on

3399
02:23:10,600 --> 02:23:06,820
sixteen and I fell in love with it then

3400
02:23:13,120 --> 02:23:10,610
the when we talk about sacred geometry

3401
02:23:15,341 --> 02:23:13,130
there's a lot of sacred math in the

3402
02:23:18,070 --> 02:23:15,351
Parthenon which they got from the

3403
02:23:20,560 --> 02:23:18,080
Egyptians they did they did are you a

3404
02:23:24,580 --> 02:23:20,570
block stock and barrel were you able to

3405
02:23:26,950 --> 02:23:24,590
grasp that as you walk around it yeah

3406
02:23:29,530 --> 02:23:26,960
it's it's a such stunning beauty right

3407
02:23:31,211 --> 02:23:29,540
they refined it they they refined they

3408
02:23:33,011 --> 02:23:31,221
they do their architecture in a

3409
02:23:35,410 --> 02:23:33,021
different way the Egyptians had Grand go

3410
02:23:37,270 --> 02:23:35,420
to Karnak and Luxor they got great grand

3411
02:23:39,131 --> 02:23:37,280
grand columns that are they're more

3412
02:23:41,051 --> 02:23:39,141
astonishing than any of the columns of

3413
02:23:43,870 --> 02:23:41,061
the Greeks but the Greeks also its white

3414
02:23:45,640 --> 02:23:43,880
marble and then the fluted ones and then

3415
02:23:47,410 --> 02:23:45,650
the pediments and just some things the

3416
02:23:50,051 --> 02:23:47,420
way the Greeks did it all they're so

3417
02:23:53,200 --> 02:23:50,061
beautiful in Greek Greek is all it all

3418
02:23:54,640 --> 02:23:53,210
about sacred geography my gosh Greek

3419
02:23:56,801 --> 02:23:54,650
there's books on of they're linked on my

3420
02:23:57,700 --> 02:23:56,811
website of the sacred geography the

3421
02:24:00,881 --> 02:23:57,710
ancient Greeks

3422
02:24:04,390 --> 02:24:00,891
she was it's amazing what the Greeks did

3423
02:24:07,091 --> 02:24:04,400
they refined the Egyptian yeah and you

3424
02:24:08,650 --> 02:24:07,101
know what's really uh depressing in a

3425
02:24:10,930 --> 02:24:08,660
way when it comes to the Parthenon I

3426
02:24:14,140 --> 02:24:10,940
mean it stayed intact

3427
02:24:16,511 --> 02:24:14,150
they'll tell modern times yeah yeah well

3428
02:24:17,830 --> 02:24:16,521
you know there was a turkey during one

3429
02:24:19,211 --> 02:24:17,840
particular war it's on the website I

3430
02:24:21,190 --> 02:24:19,221
don't remember the exact day there was a

3431
02:24:23,290 --> 02:24:21,200
power magazine and it blew up and then

3432
02:24:26,560 --> 02:24:23,300
yeah dates like two or another animation

3433
02:24:29,261 --> 02:24:26,570
he stored their ammunition there yeah it

3434
02:24:31,990 --> 02:24:29,271
so said and then Lord Elgin Lord his

3435
02:24:33,761 --> 02:24:32,000
political guy the Elgin marbles he took

3436
02:24:34,751 --> 02:24:33,771
you know you going I was just there a

3437
02:24:36,520 --> 02:24:34,761
year and a half ago

3438
02:24:38,140 --> 02:24:36,530
I came back from Africa five months in

3439
02:24:39,940 --> 02:24:38,150
Africa last year and then I went out

3440
02:24:41,740 --> 02:24:39,950
that I was back in in Greece because I

3441
02:24:43,900 --> 02:24:41,750
want to go to Samos race up in the

3442
02:24:45,910 --> 02:24:43,910
Northeast so I'm with my friend I have a

3443
02:24:47,261 --> 02:24:45,920
friend in Athens Greece he's like the

3444
02:24:50,110 --> 02:24:47,271
Martin Grey of Greece he really knows

3445
02:24:52,301 --> 02:24:50,120
Greece real well so NASA's vem Bo's so I

3446
02:24:54,490 --> 02:24:52,311
went back up to the Parthenon and some

3447
02:24:55,841 --> 02:24:54,500
people say oh the Elgin marbles the real

3448
02:24:58,001 --> 02:24:55,851
ones which are in the British Museum

3449
02:25:00,580 --> 02:24:58,011
Library British Museum should be

3450
02:25:02,770 --> 02:25:00,590
returned to Athens and I don't know I

3451
02:25:04,450 --> 02:25:02,780
don't know part of me the Greeks don't

3452
02:25:06,400 --> 02:25:04,460
take such good care of things and the

3453
02:25:08,230 --> 02:25:06,410
current government is like IMF is

3454
02:25:09,610 --> 02:25:08,240
bailing them out it's like a slow drip

3455
02:25:11,410 --> 02:25:09,620
they're constantly bail and I'm out

3456
02:25:12,010 --> 02:25:11,420
Greeks aren't too good at political

3457
02:25:14,080 --> 02:25:12,020
administer

3458
02:25:15,219 --> 02:25:14,090
now so in one sense better to leave them

3459
02:25:18,189 --> 02:25:15,229
in a British Museum

3460
02:25:20,649 --> 02:25:18,199
it's an incredible picture and and thank

3461
02:25:23,760 --> 02:25:20,659
you for for capturing so many places

3462
02:25:27,160 --> 02:25:23,770
around the earth for us all to enjoy and

3463
02:25:29,500 --> 02:25:27,170
again go to National Geographic or go to

3464
02:25:31,389 --> 02:25:29,510
sacred sites either one yes sacred sites

3465
02:25:33,069 --> 02:25:31,399
calm is where you see all the pictures

3466
02:25:34,960 --> 02:25:33,079
and you get all the nice essays and all

3467
02:25:36,969 --> 02:25:34,970
the Google Maps and all the big reorder

3468
02:25:38,920 --> 02:25:36,979
fees and it's completely free sacred

3469
02:25:41,529 --> 02:25:38,930
sites calm now we've been talking about

3470
02:25:44,590 --> 02:25:41,539
pilgrims all night I want to know your

3471
02:25:46,319 --> 02:25:44,600
definition well it's an interesting

3472
02:25:49,649 --> 02:25:46,329
thing somebody one time said that

3473
02:25:53,139 --> 02:25:49,659
mysticism is inner pilgrimage and

3474
02:25:55,330 --> 02:25:53,149
pilgrimage is outer mysticism think

3475
02:25:56,979 --> 02:25:55,340
about that right mysticism is inner

3476
02:26:00,330 --> 02:25:56,989
pilgrimage and pilgrimages outer

3477
02:26:02,859 --> 02:26:00,340
mysticism so to me what a pilgrim is is

3478
02:26:04,750 --> 02:26:02,869
someone who joins a lie okay there's

3479
02:26:06,580 --> 02:26:04,760
three types of people to go to these

3480
02:26:07,929 --> 02:26:06,590
sites religious pilgrims Buddhists a

3481
02:26:09,279 --> 02:26:07,939
Buddhist sites Hindus - Hindus

3482
02:26:11,529 --> 02:26:09,289
Christians and Christians not much

3483
02:26:13,240 --> 02:26:11,539
overlap then there's modern-day tourists

3484
02:26:14,769 --> 02:26:13,250
who go to places of monumental

3485
02:26:16,719 --> 02:26:14,779
architecture they go see the Giza

3486
02:26:18,219 --> 02:26:16,729
pyramids or Stonehenge and then there's

3487
02:26:20,710 --> 02:26:18,229
people like you and I and a lot of the

3488
02:26:22,210 --> 02:26:20,720
listeners right now and they're drawn to

3489
02:26:25,510 --> 02:26:22,220
these reasons these places for other

3490
02:26:27,040 --> 02:26:25,520
reasons that number is vastly growing we

3491
02:26:29,529 --> 02:26:27,050
are at the beginning of what I am

3492
02:26:32,019 --> 02:26:29,539
calling a guy in light from Gaia a guy

3493
02:26:35,529 --> 02:26:32,029
in age of pilgrimage and what it is my

3494
02:26:37,599 --> 02:26:35,539
prediction my prophecy my suggestion

3495
02:26:39,399 --> 02:26:37,609
that in the next twenty to thirty years

3496
02:26:41,139 --> 02:26:39,409
you're going to see a large number of

3497
02:26:43,210 --> 02:26:41,149
people going to these planetary

3498
02:26:46,660 --> 02:26:43,220
acupuncture points because they are

3499
02:26:49,929 --> 02:26:46,670
veils between the realms because they

3500
02:26:52,029 --> 02:26:49,939
are destiny activation points people

3501
02:26:54,099 --> 02:26:52,039
come here some people with an assignment

3502
02:26:55,689 --> 02:26:54,109
something to do here in life maybe they

3503
02:26:57,580 --> 02:26:55,699
don't know what it is they go to one of

3504
02:27:00,609 --> 02:26:57,590
these sites these sites have a certain

3505
02:27:02,769 --> 02:27:00,619
energy a key that awakens things into

3506
02:27:04,990 --> 02:27:02,779
people they're transducers a spiritual

3507
02:27:06,910 --> 02:27:05,000
illumination more and more people will

3508
02:27:08,979 --> 02:27:06,920
be going to these places and these are

3509
02:27:12,370 --> 02:27:08,989
also these node points for what I'm

3510
02:27:15,219 --> 02:27:12,380
calling a supra national state of

3511
02:27:17,439 --> 02:27:15,229
consciousness we're having an evolution

3512
02:27:19,420 --> 02:27:17,449
of political systems on the planet where

3513
02:27:21,729 --> 02:27:19,430
we're going from a time where there's

3514
02:27:23,740 --> 02:27:21,739
many national sovereign state identities

3515
02:27:25,820 --> 02:27:23,750
and you will see in the next 200 years

3516
02:27:27,950 --> 02:27:25,830
number none of us will be here

3517
02:27:29,480 --> 02:27:27,960
next 200 years there will be a blending

3518
02:27:32,330 --> 02:27:29,490
of these national sovereign state

3519
02:27:36,950 --> 02:27:32,340
identities into this hugely creative and

3520
02:27:39,560 --> 02:27:36,960
cooperative global community of

3521
02:27:42,920 --> 02:27:39,570
consciousness a state of consciousness

3522
02:27:44,990 --> 02:27:42,930
this is happening now it's just in its

3523
02:27:46,490 --> 02:27:45,000
beginning phases most people can't see

3524
02:27:48,230 --> 02:27:46,500
it the way I can see it they haven't had

3525
02:27:50,270 --> 02:27:48,240
the visions of it the way I have but

3526
02:27:52,761 --> 02:27:50,280
something magnificent is happening on

3527
02:27:55,100 --> 02:27:52,771
this planet in the nodes for the plug in

3528
02:27:56,750 --> 02:27:55,110
at the plug in places at this where

3529
02:27:59,301 --> 02:27:56,760
they're charged where the family comes

3530
02:28:01,280 --> 02:27:59,311
together is the sacred sites as the

3531
02:28:03,380 --> 02:28:01,290
power point so I want my readers to

3532
02:28:05,301 --> 02:28:03,390
listeners to hear that that if they go

3533
02:28:07,460 --> 02:28:05,311
to these places something is awakening

3534
02:28:09,530 --> 02:28:07,470
and seeds are being planted in them by

3535
02:28:11,840 --> 02:28:09,540
going now these are having beginning to

3536
02:28:13,190 --> 02:28:11,850
have a non-traditional usage in the next

3537
02:28:15,530 --> 02:28:13,200
twenty to thirty years it's just going

3538
02:28:17,780 --> 02:28:15,540
to go like wildfire across the planet at

3539
02:28:20,210 --> 02:28:17,790
these power places just hear that people

3540
02:28:21,051 --> 02:28:20,220
and go to these sites for that you can

3541
02:28:24,490 --> 02:28:21,061
feel it

3542
02:28:28,070 --> 02:28:24,500
I am agree with you I you can absolutely

3543
02:28:32,870 --> 02:28:28,080
totally feel the shift and it's there

3544
02:28:36,410 --> 02:28:32,880
well what about the purpose of because

3545
02:28:38,900 --> 02:28:36,420
the cultures are should be separated

3546
02:28:41,350 --> 02:28:38,910
they're separated by landmass and water

3547
02:28:45,801 --> 02:28:41,360
they're also separated by time and

3548
02:28:49,250 --> 02:28:45,811
language but yet they are connected is

3549
02:28:51,680 --> 02:28:49,260
there a collective purpose that they

3550
02:28:54,980 --> 02:28:51,690
knew about in it

3551
02:28:56,540 --> 02:28:54,990
some people would some not that many not

3552
02:28:59,060 --> 02:28:56,550
that many people have that visionary

3553
02:29:01,301 --> 02:28:59,070
insight back then and then anything that

3554
02:29:03,860 --> 02:29:01,311
they if you have something that's really

3555
02:29:05,810 --> 02:29:03,870
really old knowledge the kind of the

3556
02:29:07,520 --> 02:29:05,820
only way you can encode it or you can

3557
02:29:09,470 --> 02:29:07,530
have the old knowledge transmitted is

3558
02:29:11,990 --> 02:29:09,480
either by the myths but the older the

3559
02:29:14,240 --> 02:29:12,000
myth the more it's hard to read it right

3560
02:29:15,890 --> 02:29:14,250
and then the stones but the stones fall

3561
02:29:18,860 --> 02:29:15,900
over they get eroded we don't know who

3562
02:29:20,480 --> 02:29:18,870
the builders were all of that so even if

3563
02:29:22,880 --> 02:29:20,490
there's really ancient knowledge it's

3564
02:29:25,970 --> 02:29:22,890
transmitted but it's hard to find it's

3565
02:29:27,890 --> 02:29:25,980
hard to interpret it's hard to unpack

3566
02:29:30,350 --> 02:29:27,900
the myth it's it's that's hard to do

3567
02:29:32,900 --> 02:29:30,360
that but I think a few things are

3568
02:29:34,670 --> 02:29:32,910
happening here one you know it's hubris

3569
02:29:36,710 --> 02:29:34,680
again to think that we're the only ones

3570
02:29:39,559 --> 02:29:36,720
here there's trillions trillions of

3571
02:29:42,859 --> 02:29:39,569
galaxies the average number of stars per

3572
02:29:45,139 --> 02:29:42,869
especially the galaxies is 200 billion

3573
02:29:47,899 --> 02:29:45,149
stars per galaxy so you get your average

3574
02:29:50,210 --> 02:29:47,909
galaxy 200 billion stars and the number

3575
02:29:52,429 --> 02:29:50,220
that we noticed by radio telescopes of

3576
02:29:55,040 --> 02:29:52,439
trillion so a trillion time 200 billion

3577
02:29:57,439 --> 02:29:55,050
it's a big number 60 70 80 percent of

3578
02:29:59,000 --> 02:29:57,449
them could have planetary systems around

3579
02:30:00,529 --> 02:29:59,010
them coalesced out of fields in

3580
02:30:03,349 --> 02:30:00,539
interstellar gas the whole thing I can

3581
02:30:06,800 --> 02:30:03,359
talk about it won't here but if that 60

3582
02:30:09,079 --> 02:30:06,810
50 take it 25 percent of trillions of

3583
02:30:11,719 --> 02:30:09,089
possible planets it would be ridiculous

3584
02:30:14,199 --> 02:30:11,729
beyond it be embarrassingly arrogant

3585
02:30:16,579 --> 02:30:14,209
ridiculous to think we're the only ones

3586
02:30:19,309 --> 02:30:16,589
so there's something happening here that

3587
02:30:21,469 --> 02:30:19,319
planet I mean stars certainly plants

3588
02:30:24,109 --> 02:30:21,479
they are species of life - that's what's

3589
02:30:27,380 --> 02:30:24,119
going on with Gaia well my feeling is is

3590
02:30:30,260 --> 02:30:27,390
this entire planet as in as in itself is

3591
02:30:32,269 --> 02:30:30,270
a living entity we are on that entity we

3592
02:30:34,219 --> 02:30:32,279
come and we go but this planet this guy

3593
02:30:35,599 --> 02:30:34,229
the planet is itself going through a

3594
02:30:37,819 --> 02:30:35,609
spiritual evolution going through a

3595
02:30:40,550 --> 02:30:37,829
transformation into what form I know not

3596
02:30:42,769 --> 02:30:40,560
but we are riding the wave of that now

3597
02:30:44,599 --> 02:30:42,779
we are truly at the beginning of the Age

3598
02:30:46,550 --> 02:30:44,609
of Aquarius that's what's going on here

3599
02:30:48,439 --> 02:30:46,560
and that is so exciting it if somebody

3600
02:30:49,130 --> 02:30:48,449
is in any way depress what's happening

3601
02:30:53,210 --> 02:30:49,140
with DDT

3602
02:30:54,500 --> 02:30:53,220
you know DDT poison if people are

3603
02:30:56,840 --> 02:30:54,510
depressed with that take the long view

3604
02:30:58,429 --> 02:30:56,850
take a bigger view stand up a little bit

3605
02:31:00,409 --> 02:30:58,439
and you'll see others crisis breaking

3606
02:31:03,500 --> 02:31:00,419
out all over this planet but we are

3607
02:31:04,939 --> 02:31:03,510
billions strong we we the people

3608
02:31:07,639 --> 02:31:04,949
listening to this I know this because

3609
02:31:10,309 --> 02:31:07,649
I've been in 150 countries I've seen us

3610
02:31:12,529 --> 02:31:10,319
everywhere we are Awakening and to know

3611
02:31:14,750 --> 02:31:12,539
that to see that the way I see it gives

3612
02:31:17,179 --> 02:31:14,760
one such tremendous hope for the future

3613
02:31:20,510 --> 02:31:17,189
such beauty is breaking upon this planet

3614
02:31:23,479 --> 02:31:20,520
all so can you underscore one more time

3615
02:31:26,540 --> 02:31:23,489
how powerful earth Gaia is what are you

3616
02:31:28,819 --> 02:31:26,550
really trying to say Martin I'm saying

3617
02:31:30,590 --> 02:31:28,829
that there's some some grand grand

3618
02:31:32,329 --> 02:31:30,600
awakening happening on the planet and

3619
02:31:34,369 --> 02:31:32,339
some of us are going to get to play a

3620
02:31:35,750 --> 02:31:34,379
part in that and if some people they

3621
02:31:37,130 --> 02:31:35,760
don't know why they're here they haven't

3622
02:31:39,170 --> 02:31:37,140
figured it out and maybe they've gone

3623
02:31:41,420 --> 02:31:39,180
through some difficulties oh it's all

3624
02:31:43,760 --> 02:31:41,430
preparation reframe it just reframe it

3625
02:31:45,949 --> 02:31:43,770
robin saying something's wrong look at

3626
02:31:48,649 --> 02:31:45,959
it and go okay difficult teaching here's

3627
02:31:50,179 --> 02:31:48,659
the good I get from it and the good we

3628
02:31:52,189 --> 02:31:50,189
can get from some of our life

3629
02:31:53,420 --> 02:31:52,199
experiences is magnificent and then if

3630
02:31:54,950 --> 02:31:53,430
we can awaken into

3631
02:31:56,960 --> 02:31:54,960
justise if we can take the bigger view

3632
02:31:58,729 --> 02:31:56,970
and if we band together and it doesn't

3633
02:32:00,620 --> 02:31:58,739
mean you got to live in the same coal

3634
02:32:02,689 --> 02:32:00,630
housing community with people no it's a

3635
02:32:04,880 --> 02:32:02,699
matter of consciousness knowing that

3636
02:32:06,590 --> 02:32:04,890
somebody in Bulgaria Botswana or Bolivia

3637
02:32:07,969 --> 02:32:06,600
is with you is like you even if you

3638
02:32:09,920 --> 02:32:07,979
never know their name or never meet them

3639
02:32:11,870 --> 02:32:09,930
we're part of this global family that's

3640
02:32:13,580 --> 02:32:11,880
what's going on and the sacred sites are

3641
02:32:16,010 --> 02:32:13,590
putting out this sort of radiant energy

3642
02:32:18,500 --> 02:32:16,020
that is awakening this consciousness and

3643
02:32:19,639 --> 02:32:18,510
people around the globe it's great stuff

3644
02:32:21,620 --> 02:32:19,649
great news

3645
02:32:23,479 --> 02:32:21,630
where can everybody get a hold of you

3646
02:32:26,090 --> 02:32:23,489
and are you going to be speaking and do

3647
02:32:28,760 --> 02:32:26,100
you do you do tours anymore do you lead

3648
02:32:31,460 --> 02:32:28,770
- no I don't do lead tours anymore and I

3649
02:32:33,290 --> 02:32:31,470
I did one slide show about a month ago

3650
02:32:34,910 --> 02:32:33,300
just to test out a new thing that I'm

3651
02:32:37,760 --> 02:32:34,920
going to do but I won't probably do

3652
02:32:39,380 --> 02:32:37,770
another slide show tell like 2019 later

3653
02:32:41,689 --> 02:32:39,390
this year I'm going to Iraq oh man

3654
02:32:43,580 --> 02:32:41,699
Algeria in about 15 countries in western

3655
02:32:46,280 --> 02:32:43,590
Africa then I'm going to come back next

3656
02:32:48,290 --> 02:32:46,290
year and then in 2019 I'm probably going

3657
02:32:50,210 --> 02:32:48,300
to go live in a Mercedes Sprinter van

3658
02:32:51,920 --> 02:32:50,220
and just travel around Europe doing

3659
02:32:54,679 --> 02:32:51,930
these slideshows which I'm now calling

3660
02:32:56,929 --> 02:32:54,689
group shamanic events think of this

3661
02:32:58,849 --> 02:32:56,939
you've got 500 people in a hall you got

3662
02:33:00,769 --> 02:32:58,859
big beautiful screen showing these

3663
02:33:03,260 --> 02:33:00,779
slides while beautiful music is playing

3664
02:33:04,790 --> 02:33:03,270
and different people key in and resonate

3665
02:33:06,950 --> 02:33:04,800
with different sites and the pictures

3666
02:33:08,630 --> 02:33:06,960
are not pictures they're windows so in a

3667
02:33:10,370 --> 02:33:08,640
dark Hall if the light of those sites

3668
02:33:12,260 --> 02:33:10,380
comes into the room and it's touching

3669
02:33:14,030 --> 02:33:12,270
all of these people and you have five

3670
02:33:15,950 --> 02:33:14,040
hundred people being touched and there's

3671
02:33:18,139 --> 02:33:15,960
this music playing it becomes a visual

3672
02:33:20,469 --> 02:33:18,149
rave that's a group shamanic event in

3673
02:33:22,670 --> 02:33:20,479
the next two three years starting in

3674
02:33:24,229 --> 02:33:22,680
2019 I'm going to do like four or five

3675
02:33:26,630 --> 02:33:24,239
hundred of those slideshows in cities

3676
02:33:28,700 --> 02:33:26,640
all over Europe and oh that's going to

3677
02:33:31,010 --> 02:33:28,710
be magnificent magnificent that's the

3678
02:33:32,570 --> 02:33:31,020
second to the last stage then the last

3679
02:33:35,120 --> 02:33:32,580
stage which I won't tell you what it is

3680
02:33:36,950 --> 02:33:35,130
but it's really really cool I'm really

3681
02:33:39,950 --> 02:33:36,960
cool but the next stage of my work

3682
02:33:42,019 --> 02:33:39,960
starting in 2019 will be about 500 of

3683
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these slideshows 500 cities in Europe

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your your your a treasure and a gift my

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friend thank you so much for this and I

3686
02:33:51,019 --> 02:33:49,770
can't wait to get you back on the show

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we'll talk about that later

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but in the meantime keep doing what

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you're doing and it's sacred sites calm

3690
02:34:00,679 --> 02:33:58,890
everybody the links regime' church radio

3691
02:34:03,080 --> 02:34:00,689
Martin gray an extraordinary

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02:34:04,580 --> 02:34:03,090
conversation thank you for sharing with

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02:34:07,240 --> 02:34:04,590
everybody some thanks you're great

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02:34:09,610 --> 02:34:07,250
questions great I like to love you

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02:34:12,580 --> 02:34:09,620
I I'm going to go out dinner you're the

3696
02:34:15,550 --> 02:34:12,590
best good night Martin gray everybody

3697
02:34:18,130 --> 02:34:15,560
what a conversation and all of the

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images go to sacred sites dot-com

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02:34:26,140 --> 02:34:22,400
everything is right there and National

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02:34:28,410 --> 02:34:26,150
Geographic is it only has the very best

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02:34:34,050 --> 02:34:28,420
and I think you can tell why now what a

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02:34:36,490 --> 02:34:34,060
conversation whew man five hits of LSD

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02:34:39,430 --> 02:34:36,500
that's what I'm talking about

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02:34:42,340 --> 02:34:39,440
all right I've got a couple of minutes

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left here absolutely extraordinary I'm

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02:34:47,770 --> 02:34:44,900
just I'm short on words so I'm going to

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02:34:49,330 --> 02:34:47,780
go to some text to get me out of here

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02:34:51,910 --> 02:34:49,340
with all of the news that you know

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02:34:57,190 --> 02:34:51,920
absolutely nothing about ancient

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02:34:59,310 --> 02:34:57,200
volcanic deposits on the moon reveal new

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02:35:04,420 --> 02:34:59,320
evidence about the lunar interior

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suggesting it contains water that's

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right

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02:35:10,050 --> 02:35:07,370
using satellite data scientists from

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02:35:13,240 --> 02:35:10,060
Brown University studied lunar

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02:35:15,250 --> 02:35:13,250
pyroclastic deposits layers of rock that

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02:35:17,950 --> 02:35:15,260
likely formed the large volcanic

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02:35:19,870 --> 02:35:17,960
eruptions the magma associated with

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02:35:22,540 --> 02:35:19,880
these explosive events is carried to the

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02:35:24,220 --> 02:35:22,550
moon's surface from very deep within its

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02:35:27,580 --> 02:35:24,230
interior and this is according to a new

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02:35:30,760 --> 02:35:27,590
study published today in Nature

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02:35:34,300 --> 02:35:30,770
Geoscience previous studies have

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02:35:36,580 --> 02:35:34,310
observed traces of water ice in the

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shadowed regions of the lunar poles

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02:35:42,490 --> 02:35:38,180
we've known about that for a long time

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02:35:45,700 --> 02:35:42,500
however this water is likely the result

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02:35:47,920 --> 02:35:45,710
of hydrogen that comes from solar wind

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02:35:50,830 --> 02:35:47,930
and this is according to the new study's

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02:35:53,350 --> 02:35:50,840
lead author Ralph Milliken a geologist

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02:35:58,090 --> 02:35:53,360
at Brown University

3732
02:36:00,040 --> 02:35:58,100
now obviously water on the moon I've got

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02:36:03,190 --> 02:36:00,050
some more news here in just a second

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02:36:05,890 --> 02:36:03,200
think about this but until then I'll get

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02:36:08,110 --> 02:36:05,900
to know second a learn our jr. is going

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02:36:10,600 --> 02:36:08,120
to jump out of his number 88 Chevy after

3737
02:36:13,600 --> 02:36:10,610
this season in NASCAR and jump right

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02:36:17,800 --> 02:36:13,610
into the broadcast booth for NBC in 2018

3739
02:36:21,131 --> 02:36:17,810
and I say because I'm a junior fan so

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02:36:23,400 --> 02:36:21,141
next year NBC we get

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02:36:25,831 --> 02:36:23,410
shooting here part of the broadcast crew

3742
02:36:28,720 --> 02:36:25,841
right now as you hear these words

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02:36:31,331 --> 02:36:28,730
there's a Galactic Gold Rush talking

3744
02:36:33,371 --> 02:36:31,341
about water on the moon brewing that

3745
02:36:35,921 --> 02:36:33,381
will make 1840s California look like a

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02:36:38,890 --> 02:36:35,931
rehearsal dinner listen to me at this

3747
02:36:41,440 --> 02:36:38,900
very moment a handful of billionaire

3748
02:36:46,751 --> 02:36:41,450
back companies are planning to mine

3749
02:36:48,581 --> 02:36:46,761
that's right the moon for ungodly

3750
02:36:52,440 --> 02:36:48,591
reserves of precious metals and other

3751
02:36:54,730 --> 02:36:52,450
untapped treasures on the moon alone

3752
02:36:58,421 --> 02:36:54,740
quadrillions of dollars of

3753
02:37:00,940 --> 02:36:58,431
interplanetary paydirt are at stake now

3754
02:37:03,251 --> 02:37:00,950
this isn't just a high-flying hopelessly

3755
02:37:06,611 --> 02:37:03,261
optimistic plan either no they've

3756
02:37:08,951 --> 02:37:06,621
already built the Rockets the FAA has

3757
02:37:12,430 --> 02:37:08,961
already given certain companies the all

3758
02:37:15,821 --> 02:37:12,440
go for launch we're talking about cosmic

3759
02:37:18,671 --> 02:37:15,831
golden nuggets right for the picking

3760
02:37:20,591 --> 02:37:18,681
right now whether we like it or not some

3761
02:37:23,201 --> 02:37:20,601
of the wealthiest venture capitalists on

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02:37:25,571 --> 02:37:23,211
earth will soon launch mining operations

3763
02:37:27,841 --> 02:37:25,581
on the moon the treasures these

3764
02:37:30,850 --> 02:37:27,851
space-age prospectors are seeking are

3765
02:37:32,831 --> 02:37:30,860
varied and wide the lunar surface is

3766
02:37:35,470 --> 02:37:32,841
brimming with not only precious metals

3767
02:37:38,850 --> 02:37:35,480
and rare isotopes but also a litany of

3768
02:37:44,051 --> 02:37:38,860
other natural resources and one of them

3769
02:37:49,661 --> 02:37:44,061
helium-3 currently has a projected value

3770
02:37:52,621 --> 02:37:49,671
of $40,000 per ounce now to put that in

3771
02:37:55,921 --> 02:37:52,631
perspective right now gold is trading at

3772
02:37:58,001 --> 02:37:55,931
$1200 an ounce this incredibly high

3773
02:38:01,301 --> 02:37:58,011
valuation comes from the isotopes

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02:38:05,020 --> 02:38:01,311
relative rarity here on earth as well as

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02:38:07,121 --> 02:38:05,030
potential as a fuel source helium-3

3776
02:38:09,281 --> 02:38:07,131
could be used as an efficient

3777
02:38:13,421 --> 02:38:09,291
alternative fuel source in fusion

3778
02:38:17,261 --> 02:38:13,431
reactors and about 220 pounds of it

3779
02:38:21,571 --> 02:38:17,271
could theoretically power Dallas the

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02:38:24,400 --> 02:38:21,581
city of Dallas for an entire year now

3781
02:38:27,430 --> 02:38:24,410
not all of Moon's treasures are quite so

3782
02:38:29,350 --> 02:38:27,440
exotic however now you have the rare

3783
02:38:33,821 --> 02:38:29,360
isotopes and you have precious metals

3784
02:38:38,201 --> 02:38:33,831
but you know what there's also water now

3785
02:38:42,341 --> 02:38:38,211
if we get there and we find water right

3786
02:38:44,680 --> 02:38:42,351
and we mined for water think about that

3787
02:38:49,031 --> 02:38:44,690
that will be the most precious resource

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02:38:51,551 --> 02:38:49,041
on the moon right and now with all of

3789
02:38:54,911 --> 02:38:51,561
these other mentions today think about

3790
02:38:57,881 --> 02:38:54,921
it think about it it's not going to be a

3791
02:39:01,241 --> 02:38:57,891
gas station on the moon where all the

3792
02:39:05,951 --> 02:39:01,251
money is going to be made oh no it's

3793
02:39:07,961 --> 02:39:05,961
going to be water it water is going to

3794
02:39:10,690 --> 02:39:07,971
be the first lunar gas station where

3795
02:39:14,501 --> 02:39:10,700
they are going to be charging per gallon

3796
02:39:15,100 --> 02:39:14,511
and this is another episode of fade to

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02:39:17,501 --> 02:39:15,110
black

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02:39:19,690 --> 02:39:17,511
gotta thank Martin gray was that an

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02:39:22,421 --> 02:39:19,700
incredible conversation that's what we

3800
02:39:25,211 --> 02:39:22,431
do here man II kind of put me into a

3801
02:39:27,310 --> 02:39:25,221
panic mode when he just said he's

3802
02:39:31,060 --> 02:39:27,320
heading off to Europe we got to get him

3803
02:39:32,980 --> 02:39:31,070
back on this show as soon as possible we

3804
02:39:34,571 --> 02:39:32,990
got to get him to that fade to black

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02:39:36,251 --> 02:39:34,581
conference we're going to be doing up at

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02:39:38,230 --> 02:39:36,261
ISA t2 as well how would you like to

3807
02:39:39,761 --> 02:39:38,240
hang out with Martin up there paid to

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02:39:41,650 --> 02:39:39,771
Black's executive producers Riddick

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02:39:44,531 --> 02:39:41,660
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02:39:46,661 --> 02:39:44,541
all Marty Kovar Thank You LJ three Rene

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02:39:48,850 --> 02:39:46,671
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02:39:50,890 --> 02:39:48,860
harder Jean Patou a Marc peek ov are

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02:39:53,831 --> 02:39:50,900
faded by Dale webmaster drew the geek

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02:39:57,100 --> 02:39:53,841
music doug aldrich intro space boys

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02:39:58,631 --> 02:39:57,110
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02:40:02,230 --> 02:39:58,641
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02:40:04,091 --> 02:40:02,240
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02:40:06,821 --> 02:40:04,101
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02:40:08,711 --> 02:40:06,831
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02:40:11,081 --> 02:40:08,721
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02:40:13,150 --> 02:40:11,091
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3822
02:40:15,100 --> 02:40:13,160
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02:40:16,661 --> 02:40:15,110
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3824
02:40:18,730 --> 02:40:16,671
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3825
02:40:21,850 --> 02:40:18,740
host jimmy church tomorrow night ken

3826
02:40:25,390 --> 02:40:21,860
Knutson right here but until then follow

3827
02:40:26,470 --> 02:40:25,400
me on twitter @ JT radio and everybody

3828
02:40:29,740 --> 02:40:26,480
be safe

3829
02:40:40,220 --> 02:40:29,750
go back leave capping

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happen